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Old 10-06-2018, 11:51 AM
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[Coroner] Have you heard her speak of being afraid of any one ? - Yes; several times. I bought newspapers, and I read to her everything about the murders, which she asked me about.

Thomas Bowyer stated: I live at 37, Dorset-street, and am employed by Mr. McCarthy. I serve in his chandler's shop, 27, Dorset-street. At a quarter to eleven a.m., on Friday morning, I was ordered by McCarthy to go to Mary Jane's room, No. 13. I did not know the deceased by the name of Kelly. I went for rent, which was in arrears.
Quite simply, the first is believable, the second probably slept with her and won't even remotely admit to knowing her for fear he will be painted a psychopathic homicidal maniac.
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Bowyer lived next door to Michael Kidney.
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At Bishopsgate nick and when pawning the boots?

Papers covering the inquest refer to her as 'Kelly', don't they?
Yes
Bishopsgate and the pawning of the boots
Both were on her return from Kent as I've been saying.
I may have good reason to suspect the dropping of the Conway at this point is important

I'm not aware of her being referred to as Kelly at any point during the inquest other than the mention of the pawned boots and the name she gave at Bishopsgate
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Not Mary and Jane: "Mary Ann" (a very common combination, as in Mary Ann Nichols, Mary Ann Connelly, etc) and "Jane", but I'll go along with the idea for the sake of light relief.

Policeman to the first of 800 residents, starting at the #6 end of Dorset Street:

"Do you know of a Jane Kelly? No? What about Mary Ann Kelly? No? Ann Mary Kelly? No? Ann Jane Kelly? No? Jane Ann Kelly? Kelly Jane? Ann Jane? No? Ah, I know... what about Polly Kelly? No. Well, it was worth a try. Sorry to have troubled you."

Repeats with a few other people, then gives up the ghost. Meanwhile, similar word-games are being played in Fashion Street, in the hope of finding a "Mary Ann Kelly" there, with equally fruitless results.
So you believe just saying Mary Kelly , as 99% would do would be above the intelligence level of the investigating officers ?

Middle names are typically an irrelevance
Mine crops up as often as my confirmation name
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Yes
Bishopsgate and the pawning of the boots
Both were on her return from Kent as I've been saying.
I may have good reason to suspect the dropping of the Conway at this point is important

I'm not aware of her being referred to as Kelly at any point during the inquest other than the mention of the pawned boots and the name she gave at Bishopsgate
In some press reports she was referred to as Kelly.
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In some press reports she was referred to as Kelly.
Many second hand press reports are inaccurate
I usually plump for the Telegraph for more accuracy
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Many second hand press reports are inaccurate
I usually plump for the Telegraph for more accuracy
Very wise, but it's not the accuracy of the reporting that is relevant so much as the assumption that a woman in a long term stable relationship with a man named Kelly should be described as Mrs Kelly.

As for Wilkinson, clearly he'd been told by Kate that she had married Conway, but how on earth could he know whether she'd ever presented herself to anyone (such as a pawnbroker) as Mrs Kelly?

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Very wise, but it's not the accuracy of the reporting that is relevant so much as the assumption that a woman in a long term stable relationship with a man named Kelly should be described as Mrs Kelly.

As for Wilkinson, clearly he'd been told by Kate that she had married Conway, but how on earth could he know whether she'd ever presented herself to anyone (such as a pawnbroker) as Mrs Kelly?
Well , all we can do is accept her words to wilkinson .
My ex never once used my surname , we lived together for 11 years .
It's wrong to assume
We have one piece of evidence that Eddowes , through choice in her day to day life , chose to be known by the name Conway prior to the weekend of her death .
I don't think we're going to agree on this
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Well , all we can do is accept her words to wilkinson .
My ex never once used my surname , we lived together for 11 years .
It's wrong to assume
We have one piece of evidence that Eddowes , through choice in her day to day life , chose to be known by the name Conway prior to the weekend of her death .
I don't think we're going to agree on this
Probably not.��

One last try, though.

According to The Scotsman, a fairly reliable paper I believe:

The jury was sworn in to inquire into "The death of Catherine Eddowes alias Conway alias Kelly..." (Their quotes)
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Probably not.��

One last try, though.

According to The Scotsman, a fairly reliable paper I believe:

The jury was sworn in to inquire into "The death of Catherine Eddowes alias Conway alias Kelly..." (Their quotes)
Thoughts of the journalist mate
Not inquest info
At the time of swearing in all sorts of presumptions may have been made by various journalists because she lived with him , but doesn't make them accurate

Wilkinson had yet to take the stand
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