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Old 12-01-2014, 06:57 AM
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Default Pipeman interviewed and cleared

On the 19th October 1888, Swanson wrote that 'the police apparently do not suspect the second man,’ [with respect to Sightings of Stride on the night of her murder].

Here is Paul Begg's commentary explaining why Pipeman was likely found and corroborated Schwartz's story.

books.google.com/books?id=6a2-AgAAQBAJ&pg=PT204&lpg=PT204&dq=Jack+the+ripper+pip eman&source=bl&ots=MLjZorbzpQ&sig=TQYIa6cjrU8sCFa5 HJnBGVKCqaU&hl=cs&sa=X&ei=eHJ8VJ3OMqndywPZw4LYDg&v ed=0CFEQ6AEwBA#v=onepage&q=Jack the ripper pipeman&f=false


If the link doesn't go directly to the page its the first quote in the list. Click it and page will open.

Enjoy.

BTW - Paul Begg's book "The Facts" was extremely hard to buy a few years back because it seems to have been in limited supply but the Kindle version is available. I recommend it as it is written in the same style of Sugden's classic and has some nice points like the above.

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Holy tobacco batman ! that's the quote I was thinking of when LC asked. Thanks
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Hello Batman.

"Here is Paul Begg's commentary explaining why Pipeman was likely found and corroborated Schwartz's story."

An inference? Very well.

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The quote suggests they arrested two men...both BS & pipeman from how I'm interpreting it. Mustn't there be some kind of record that would point towards their identities?
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The quote suggests they arrested two men...both BS & pipeman from how I'm interpreting it. Mustn't there be some kind of record that would point towards their identities?
It seems that the 2nd man, is pipeman. The 1st man is BSman.

BS man was never arrested or found. There is a good chance he is JtR.

Pipeman was found and cleared so I think this is the 2nd man they are talking about.
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Have another look batman....it says they arrested one man on the description this obtained, and a second from another source. I think it means they arrested two men, whether they arrested two men as possible pipeman idk. Even if pipeman was talked to and cleared that doesn't mean he's not the ripper...obviously
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Have another look batman....it says they arrested one man on the description this obtained, and a second from another source. I think it means they arrested two men, whether they arrested two men as possible pipeman idk. Even if pipeman was talked to and cleared that doesn't mean he's not the ripper...obviously
Is that from Paul Begg's book and link I mentioned?

I think they arrested a few people who they thought could be pipeman and he was one of them and furnished them with what he saw, making him the second source and corroborating Schwartz's account. I think he said it was a couple who appeared to be having a tiff and walked on.
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If these arrests took place, you have to wonder when they took place and why there was no mention of it in Swanson's report.

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Is that from Paul Begg's book and link I mentioned?

I think they arrested a few people who they thought could be pipeman and he was one of them and furnished them with what he saw, making him the second source and corroborating Schwartz's account. I think he said it was a couple who appeared to be having a tiff and walked on.
Now that's fascinating would love to know his identity. Sounds like there is more to the story....why did he flee behind Schwartz only to stop before the railway arch? Did he return? If pipeman was arrested....are there any type of arrest logs for the day he would have been arrested?
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Is that from Paul Begg's book and link I mentioned?

I think they arrested a few people who they thought could be pipeman and he was one of them and furnished them with what he saw, making him the second source and corroborating Schwartz's account. I think he said it was a couple who appeared to be having a tiff and walked on.
The quote makes reference to TWO sources...meaning if pipeman was arrested there was another witness besides Schwartz who have information. Possibly someone from the pub pipeman was in the doorway of?
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