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Old 01-10-2019, 06:16 AM
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Sam Flynn: If we're looking for patterns, there has to be consistency. Real consistency, that is, not assumed, generalised or fudged.

Indeed!

You're missing my point. Pinchin had a single, vertical gash - it's more of a "scoring", actually, but let's go with "gash" - to her abdomen, and that's as far as it went. Jackson had more than "a gash" to her abdomen, as did some other torso victims, to say nothing of four out of five canonical Ripper victims, most of whose abdominal wounds were far more extensive.

No, I am not missing your point. Your point was to deny that Jackson had a vertical gash in the trunk, all the way from sternum to pelvis.
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Sam Flynn: What links Cross to those torsos deposited in the West of London, e.g. Chelsea and/or Battersea?

What I said was that the obvious link is between him and the Pinchin Street torso. What links him to the rest is:

He seemingly killed Nichols - the Ripper and the Torso killer is the same man - ergo, he also killed the torsos dumped in Chelsea/Battersea.



In terms of the torso cases, almost certainly the urge to dispose of body parts effectively, and to minimise traceability by rendering the victims as anonymous as possible.

No, that is completely incorrect. The Torso killer was an aggressive dismemberer/mutilator/eviscerator, and that kind of man does not have disposal and indentification issues on top of his list. Aren´t you getting a lot of sand in your eyes, sticking your head in it like that? First it was "no, the killer did not take out the uterus from Jackson", now it is "it seems he did", then it was "No, Jackson did not have a long, vertical gash in her trunk", now it is "you misunderstand me..."

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Come on Sam. you of all people should have worked out that Charlie Ripper-Torsoman loaded up his pickfords van and scattered body parts whilst driving erratically through the street of London/Whitechapel, when he wasn't walking them at un-godly hours of the night & morning .
Yes, that is what it looks like. Why do you find it funny? Share, please, so we all may have a laugh!
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He [Lechmere] seemingly killed Nichols
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Well, Harry, he DID ask how I link Lechmere to the "West Side" victims, although he was perfectly aware of it beforehand, so I´d say that Gareth is the one throwing rotten baitfish into the water.

And the scenario as such remains more credible than any other scenario, right? (bait)
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Come on Sam. you of all people should have worked out that Charlie Ripper-Torsoman loaded up his pickfords van and scattered body parts whilst driving erratically through the street of London/Whitechapel, when he wasn't walking them at un-godly hours of the night & morning .
He must have had a hell of a job getting that cart of his into the basement of Scotland Yard!
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Sam Flynn: What links Cross to those torsos deposited in the West of London, e.g. Chelsea and/or Battersea?

What I said was that the obvious link is between him and the Pinchin Street torso. What links him to the rest is:

He seemingly killed Nichols - the Ripper and the Torso killer is the same man - ergo, he also killed the torsos dumped in Chelsea/Battersea.
As non-sequiturs/circular arguments go, that's a humdinger even by your standards.
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In terms of the torso cases, almost certainly the urge to dispose of body parts effectively, and to minimise traceability by rendering the victims as anonymous as possible.

No, that is completely incorrect. The Torso killer was an aggressive dismemberer/mutilator/eviscerator
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He must have had a hell of a job getting that cart of his into the basement of Scotland Yard!
Well, if you can get it up your behind, he should have less trouble taking it down a cellar vault, I´d say.

Alternatively, he put the cart OUTSIDE. An outrageous suggestion, I know.

So we have now once more reached the stage where the ones loosing out on the argument side seek each other´s comfort in the shape of a few hearty jokes? How very unexpected.

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Well, if you can get it up your behind, he should have less trouble taking it diwn a cellar vault, I´d say.

Alternatively, he put the cart OUTSIDE. An outrageous suggestion, I know.

So we have now once more reached the stage where the ones loosing out on the argument side seek each other´s comfort in the shape of a few hearty jokes? How very unexpected.
We're not "loosing" any argument. Your reasoning was "loose" to begin with, and it remains so.

(And yes, I know that "loosing" was only a typo on your part, but at least it helped me make another hearty joke.)
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Sam Flynn: As non-sequiturs/circular arguments go, that's a humdinger even by your standards.

No - it is the most credible solution offered to date. Says I.

Says you.

No, it is the evidence that makes the claim:

We KNOW that he mutilated, it is proven.

We KNOW that he eviscerated, it is proven.

We KNOW that this is exactly what aggressive dismemberers will do, while non-aggressive dismemberers will NOT do it.

And we KNOW how hard it is to admit things, when you have beforehand staked your judgment and reputation on the other bet. But is it really productive to react like a child when you are proven wrong? Or is it counterproductive?

I´ll leave you to solve that riddle, I have better things to do than this kind of a "discussion".

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