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Old 06-03-2018, 01:05 PM
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Lechmere we know said he walked with Paul to the end of Hanbury street on 31st, but as i pointed out earlier such is not the shortest route, and neither is Old Montague.

Who offered up Old Montague?

Is there any source at all to suggest that Lechmere ever went that way when it was over 100 yards longer than other routes?


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The "other routes" all run inbetween Hanbury Street and Old Montague Street - the Ripper heartland. Dorset Street, for example, offered a short cut from the Hanbury Street route.

In any case, any route he used started out on either Hanbury Street or Old Montague Street after Bucks Row.
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Nah, nobody can teach me anything. I am a tower of arrogance and self-appreciation, and I refuse to listen to anything that is not in line with my humongous bias saying that a poor carman was a horrendeous fiend.

Didnīt you know that?
Self parody is often closer to the truth than we care to admit Christer.

However if thats not so then you may indeed learn.

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Such was fairly obvious from the post Christer, so that is not news.

Everyone is entitled to their opinions even flawed and incorrect opinions.


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That should be a solace to you.
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Self parody is often closer to the truth than we care to admit Christer.

However if thats not so then you may indeed learn.

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You will have your chance. If you produce something useful and new, I will certainly take a very close look on it.

I have no qualms admitting that I fear you will produce a biased work, but I would be happy - VERY happy! - to be wrong on that point.

Good luck, to both of us.
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The "other routes" all run inbetween Hanbury Street and Old Montague Street - the Ripper heartland. Dorset Street, for example, offered a short cut from the Hanbury Street route.

In any case, any route he used started out on either Hanbury Street or Old Montague Street after Bucks Row.
True Christer, but you didnt answer the question. Who offered up Old Montatague? And what was the possible use of that route based on?
I have failed to find any source from the time suggesting it.

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Just how many men do you people out here think had as much reason to visit the murder sites at the relevant hours as Lechmere did?

Ou of the suspects, who can match Lechmere on the geographical point? Or even come close to matching him?

Do I think that the collective insight that the answer to the latter question is "not a single one" lies behind the suggestion that we should look away from the geographical factor and call it "irrelevant"?

Call me cynical, but my answer to the latter question is a very clear "yes".
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True Christer, but you didnt answer the question. Who offered up Old Montatague? And what was the possible use of that route based on?
I have failed to find any source from the time suggesting it.

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Oh, the "you-did-not-answer-the-question" stuff again. Reeks of Harry!

I offered it up. Tabram died there, and the timings Edward Stow have clocked speak for that route being a quicker one. It is also a route Lechmere would have been more aquainted with, logically, since he grew up closer to it than to Hanbury Street.

Whether the old geezers back in 1888 saw the potential relevance of this or not is neither here nor there, methinks.

Yhios remoinds me of how a poster from yesteryear used to claim that the Ripper would never have dared to use Old Montague, crime-ridden as it was...

The quality of the naysayer side arguments never fails to astonish me. What is your take on that? Do you think he would have dared enter that street...?

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You will have your chance. If you produce something useful and new, I will certainly take a very close look on it.

I have no qualms admitting that I fear you will produce a biased work, but I would be happy - VERY happy! - to be wrong on that point.

Good luck, to both of us.
In what way would it be bias?

I have made it very clear many times it does not clear Lechmere of being the killer of Nichols.
It does question and I honestly beleive refute some of the "theories" presented against Lechmere and that is as far as it goes.

Thank you for the good wishes. And the same to you.

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In what way would it be bias?

I have made it very clear many times it does not clear Lechmere of being the killer of Nichols.
It does question and I honestly beleive refute some of the "theories" presented against Lechmere and that is as far as it goes.

Thank you for the good wishes. And the same to you.

Steve
The bias I fear is one of doing your best to deny any implication that Lechmere may be our man. I know that you donīt think you are at all biased, but I fear I very much disagree.

You asked. I answered.
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Just how many men do you people out here think had as much reason to visit the murder sites at the relevant hours as Lechmere did?

So Crossmere had reason to visit the murder sites? What would that reason have been?
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