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Old 06-05-2018, 04:26 PM
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Eeeerrrmm
According to who ?
How much was he paid do you think ?
A story that big he could have sold to the highest bidder yet he gives it to the central news and they give it to everyone else ?
For a fella out of work for how many weeks not to make a few pennies out of it would be madness ..... wouldn't it ?
"The Central News has interviewed the man named George Hutchinson, formerly a groom, and now a labourer, and was acquainted with the murdered woman Kelly....etc..etc...."
Dundee Couirer, Wednesday 14th Nov. 1888.

I might guess that you are not familiar with how news was distributed by agencies.
The police used the Central News as their primary outlet for official statements. The CNA sold their stories by telegraph, this is why you sometimes see the same story appear in various morning papers at the same time.
Some papers then edit the story to fit the column, and others will embellish a story, before publishing.
Evening papers like the Star, Evening News, Pall Mall Gazette, etc. often copied their evening stories from the dailies, a cheaper way to get news. Cheaper than buying it from an agency.

Hutchinson may, or may not have been paid. The price of a couple of drinks is all that might be expected.
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You guess incorrectly Jon
I'm well aware how some stories were distributed .
Nothing of what you say there has altered my opinion , like you say , the police used the central news .
I'm not sure the Dundee courier would have been fully aware of how any statement was obtained ...nor would they care .
The majority of newspapers were saying they had received a statement
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I'm not sure the Dundee courier would have been fully aware of how any statement was obtained ...nor would they care .
I counted eight different newspapers which carried that same story, I wasn't about to quote from all of them :-)
I thought one example should suffice.
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I counted eight different newspapers which carried that same story, I wasn't about to quote from all of them :-)
I thought one example should suffice.
Oh dear
Well , it all depends how they interpreted what their arrival was .
I'm sure you could find more than eight that would say "we have received a statement" or words to that effect
Its not an argument that can be won Jon , I'll leave it there 😉
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Well , it all depends how they interpreted what their arrival was .
I'm sure you could find more than eight that would say "we have received a statement" or words to that effect
Its not an argument that can be won Jon , I'll leave it there 😉
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Some interesting news pieces can be had from papers outside London. Reports that never see light of day in the city, where papers compete for space, are to be found in the counties where column space is not at a premium.

One particular report about Bowyer who met Kelly with a respectably dressed man in the court on the Wednesday night before the murder was found by Paul Begg (if I'm not mistaken?), in a Welsh newspaper - The Western Mail.
We shouldn't expect that if the London papers don't carry a report then it didn't happen. Thats another flawed assumption I've come across on Casebook.

It doesn't matter what part of the country the newspaper is from, they all got their news of the murder by telegraph. So there is no basis for arguing that some place up north couldn't report an accurate story.
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What about Hutch's statement "The man that I saw did not look like he would attack another one."? Was he psychic? That is only if you are in the belief that JTR was done after Kelly (which I am not). That to me at least, was probably one of the strangest things that he said. I can't make heads or tails of it?? Anyone else?
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What about Hutch's statement "The man that I saw did not look like he would attack another one."? Was he psychic? That is only if you are in the belief that JTR was done after Kelly (which I am not). That to me at least, was probably one of the strangest things that he said. I can't make heads or tails of it?? Anyone else?
I've never read about Hutchinson saying that. Do you have a source for it?
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Hi Pat, that quote was from Hutchinson's press interview published on 14th Nov..
https://www.casebook.org/press_repor...r/s881114.html
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What about Hutch's statement "The man that I saw did not look like he would attack another one."? Was he psychic? That is only if you are in the belief that JTR was done after Kelly (which I am not). That to me at least, was probably one of the strangest things that he said. I can't make heads or tails of it?? Anyone else?
It's just another way of saying he looked harmless.
It was typical for the time that a villain must look like a monster. Surprisingly, some theorists today believe the same. The killer had to be some rough, Neanderthal-type creature, from a lodginghouse.
He couldn't possibly have been respectably dressed, with his own room, etc. etc.
Which is very similar to saying that the killer had to be a foreigner, no Englishman could possibly do such a heinous crime. Which was also claimed at the time.
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What about Hutch's statement "The man that I saw did not look like he would attack another one."? Was he psychic? That is only if you are in the belief that JTR was done after Kelly (which I am not). That to me at least, was probably one of the strangest things that he said. I can't make heads or tails of it?? Anyone else?
Hi Red
Just another one of Hutchs anomalies in his story. This after saying he looked at him(hutch) surly, was carrying a knife sized package and was sinister villain with curled up mustache and everything.


I think it was hutchs way of getting out of why (if he had said the man was suspicious or dangerous) he didn't do anything to protect his "friend".


one of the strangest things to me hutch said was all the business of the red hankercheif. He goes on about it and being red. me thinks he dost protest too much.

I think hutch may have left his red hanky in her room.
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