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Old 12-13-2018, 08:22 AM
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Levy lived right in the middle of the Ripper's territory, which places him within easy walking (and escaping) distance of all the canonical, and some non-canonical, murders. And we don't need the Deus-ex-machinery of "work treks" or "visiting mum" to place him there, either.
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the only deus ex machina I see is modern sleuths fitting up a man (levy) that has no ties to the case to be a ripper suspect.

no "god from the machine" places lech near a murder victim-he does that all by himself.
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no "god from the machine" places lech near a murder victim-he does that all by himself.
And the other murders? Levy was well placed for all canonical five of them, and more.
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And the other murders? Levy was well placed for all canonical five of them, and more.
sure he was (as were a zillion other men)-and that would be another point in his favor as a valid ripper suspect. but the fact of the matter is that nothing ties him directly to any of those spots, let alone the case in general.


being in the area, and fitting some nebulous profile, does not a ripper suspect make.
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being in the area, and fitting some nebulous profile, does not a ripper suspect make.
I'd say that actually living in the area, as opposed to the next district, is pretty important, and there's nothing nebulous about facts.
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I'd say that actually living in the area, as opposed to the next district, is pretty important, and there's "nebulous" about facts.
agree-unless that person living in the next district- his known work route took him near the murder sites, was known to be near a murdered victim and has a documented connection to the case, as lech was.

Not so much for mr Levy then.

but then again, since you think that theres a huge probability that the ripper is an unamed person, i guess that rules out Levy too ? ; )
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Nope. Before Kosminski can be linked to one or more of the sites, he is not even a suspect in the real sense of the word. More people root for him, but that's just old habits, nothing else. None of them can link him in any way.
This is purely a suspect driven stance. You are fitting evidence to your suspect. You are claiming that site linking (your suspect, who isn't a suspect, but a witness) is more viable than a witness pointing to someone and saying, that's the man I saw. The latter is evidence driven, not suspect driven. Besides we have his name as an official suspect from the principles involved.

Robert House's book develops plenty of connections to sites near important scenes.

The point is that your 'site link' criteria is really just a special one you made up for your POI for this particular comparison.
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Also, a witness pointing out Kozminski is site linking him in this instance.
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but then again, since you think that theres a huge probability that the ripper is an unamed person, i guess that rules out Levy too ? ; )
Nice one Of course my point is that, given the size of the local population, it's unlikely that we'd be lucky enough to find the Ripper in the vanishingly small number of people who were directly connected with the case. Subsequent discoveries of plausible candidates will, by definition, unearth new names of course, and we should consider them on their merits. Jacob Levy is a reasonable candidate, with a lot more going for him than many, but I've no doubt that there are many others out there.
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Also, a witness pointing out Kozminski is site linking him in this instance.
absolutely. kosminski is the ONLY suspect that there is any possible direct evidence(and legal evidence at that-eyewitness testimony) against-a possible ID. Three police name him. Nothing rules him out.

Hes a valid suspect.
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Tracey Ianson who was already mentioned did quite a compelling list of points for Jacob Levy found here. https://www.jtrforums.com/showthread.php?t=10323
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