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Someone on UK TV last week described Trump as appearing to believe he is an ongoing reality show. Sums him up, I think.

Hi Julie,

great to see you posting, and I hope you're keeping well!

I agree with you about Chamberlain - history hasn't been kind to him, but he was very well aware that in 1938 Great Britain was in no position to militarily challenge Adolf. He bought us time, even if by doing so other European countries were to suffer under the Nazis, and he himself was accused of 'appeasement'.

Something else largely forgotten these days is that he was not a well man at the time of Munich, and in fact died in November 1940, leaving Winston as very much the Man of the Moment.

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Someone on UK TV last week described Trump as appearing to believe he is an ongoing reality show. Sums him up, I think.

Hi Julie,

great to see you posting, and I hope you're keeping well!

I agree with you about Chamberlain - history hasn't been kind to him, but he was very well aware that in 1938 Great Britain was in no position to militarily challenge Adolf. He bought us time, even if by doing so other European countries were to suffer under the Nazis, and he himself was accused of 'appeasement'.

Something else largely forgotten these days is that he was not a well man at the time of Munich, and in fact died in November 1940, leaving Winston as very much the Man of the Moment.

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Hi Graham,

Thanks for your warm greeting. I do pop in from time to time but don't really have the mental energy for vigorous debate these days.

I agree, Chamberlain has been judged harshly and Churchill (in my opinion) has been given far too much credit. However, what difficult jobs they had to do - in very difficult times - so who am I to judge?

Yesterday was the birthday of that great American folk singer - Woody Guthrie. I wonder what he would have made of President Trump?

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Where was the public backlash when the Turkish president or the Saudi crown prince visited the UK?

Hate Trump all you want, I don’t care. It’s the hypocrisy and doublethink that gets me.
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Where was the public backlash when the Turkish president or the Saudi crown prince visited the UK?

Hate Trump all you want, I don’t care. It’s the hypocrisy and doublethink that gets me.

Well Harry, there WERE protests when both of these people visited the UK! There has been especially strong protest against the Saudis in particular and certainly I know personally many people who have been opposing Ergodan, one of them a British journalist based in Turkey.

The media do not tend to cover these protests very much but protest we certainly do.

I don't hate Trump. I pity him. He is almost certainly and tragically mentally deficient.
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Why should it? It's something Americans have excelled at for at least the last century.

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Where was the public backlash when the Turkish president or the Saudi crown prince visited the UK?
Quite, but Turkey and Saudi Arabia aren't exactly renowned for being bastions of freedom and democracy, unlike the USA. When Trump, the leader of the most allegedly "advanced" nation in the world, behaves in such a regressive, rude and ignorant manner, it's all the more shocking. Indeed, the very fact that such a buffoon was even allowed to run for office amazes me - if he'd applied for any other job, he'd have been sifted out before the interview stage.
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Why should it? It's something Americans have excelled at for at least the last century.

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Now im no social scientist but i do beleve that is an overgeneralization.
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I don't hate Trump. I pity him. He is almost certainly and tragically mentally deficient.
I agree, but to hear Trump tell it, he is "a very stable genius"!
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Why should it? It's something Americans have excelled at for at least the last century.

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Possibly. I think we learned it from our forebears - Britain. However, to be perfectly fair, I believe "doublethink" (a term invented by one of my favorite Englishmen) is used by every country.

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