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Old 04-23-2015, 11:41 PM
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Well he was probably seen by a lot of people that night why single out the Jews? If he was willing to take a chance that he might be seen writing the graffiti, the message must have been mighty urgent and something he desperately needed to get off his chest. What he wrote hardly even comes up to the level of an insult let alone something like death to all Jews.

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Because he felt it was Jews that interrupted him. You're just talking in circles now.

Anyway, the point was the apron, the GSG gives us context for it. Did he really NEED to write death to all Jews after he just pulled someone's intestines out and sprayed them all over the ground?
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Hello CD.

"How does the killer know that he has been seen by three Jews?"

Perhaps they were walking about holding menorahs? (heh-heh)

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Hello Abby.

"But really, the Lipski incident is all that's really needed to make my previous point, the rest is just gravy."

Hmm, in which case, you may need to find some meat for it--none, where BSM is concerned.

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The reason I don't think Stride was killed by BS man is that a direct assault in front of witnesses is inconsistent with JtR's MO.
In front of witnesses ? Which witnesses ?
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In front of witnesses ? Which witnesses ?
Hi Jon,

Schwartz and Pipeman.
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Schwartz and Pipeman.
Cheers John

But BS Man wasn`t aware of Schwartz till he`d already thrown her about and Schwartz was alongside him.

Did BS Man see Pipeman? Schwartz didn`t notice him until he had crossed the street.

I`d say BS Man didn`t know he was been watched as he approached Stride.
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Cheers John

But BS Man wasn`t aware of Schwartz till he`d already thrown her about and Schwartz was alongside him.

Did BS Man see Pipeman? Schwartz didn`t notice him until he had crossed the street.

I`d say BS Man didn`t know he was been watched as he approached Stride.
Hello Jon,

Possibly. However, as the Evening News opined, after Kelly's murder, " As women of this sort are now on the alert in Whitechapel, we may infer that the assassin must appeal to them in some way that disarm s their suspicion. And, of course. Dr Bond believed Kelly was probably asleep when she was attacked. To my mind, this suggests a far more subtle and cunning personality than demonstrated by a street thug like BS man.

BS man is also incompatible with the cachous argument: why would Stride become relaxed enough to calmly take out and eat that cachous in the presence of a brute who had just assaulted her?

I think it far more likely that her killer lured her into the Yard, which may have been used for purposes of solicitation, or stealthily followed her in.
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JtR rarely killed without anybody noticing something.

Nichols was found maybe still barely alive, although unconscious and dying. JtR likely exited when he saw the witnesses coming.

Chapman fell against the fence while her neighbour was in the yard who heard her say 'no' with a slump. He thought nothing of it.

Stride was attacked in view of Schwartz by JtR who cried out Lipski.

Eddowes was seen with a man with her hand on his chest. It is likely a beat officer's beam of light didn't extend far enough to have seen JtR in the process of killing Eddowes.

We have two witnesses seeing one-two people with MJK on the night/morning before she was killed.

We have loads of witnesses enough to put together a general idea of a very common looking man in his earlier years. Peaked cap. Moustached. 5' 6''. Stout. Good length dark jacket.

JtR wasn't very quiet about picking and killing a victim. However he was silent in that he was able to get away very quickly. I think he just lived near the centre of all this activity and was home within a few minutes.

Stride's murder location is important for those interested in the Torso murders plus we have two good suspects living within a stones throw of each.
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Because he felt it was Jews that interrupted him. You're just talking in circles now.

Anyway, the point was the apron, the GSG gives us context for it. Did he really NEED to write death to all Jews after he just pulled someone's intestines out and sprayed them all over the ground?
Exactly Dane
I would also just add that there is a good chance he had a general dislike for jews even before the night of the double events.

Its well known that anti-semetic feeling was running high in the east end at the time.
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Hello Abby.

"But really, the Lipski incident is all that's really needed to make my previous point, the rest is just gravy."

Hmm, in which case, you may need to find some meat for it--none, where BSM is concerned.

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Hi Lynn
Like Sheeps meat perhaps? ; ) Just kidding.
I actually just re-read your article, and while I still find it improbable, its an interesting idea, and enjoyed the read.

In terms of BSM we've discussed it to death. I'll just say I think its probable he was strides killer and the ripper (peaked cap suspect and all that).
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