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Old 12-02-2016, 08:05 AM
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Would love to find out the truth about this case. Hate to be a broken record, but of all the scenarios posited so far, none of them are convincing. B doing it and J&P covering him? Nope. J doing it, and P covering for him? Nope. J&P conspiring to do it? Nope. And the intruder theory is riddled with holes, too.

Is it possible (and I believe that Abby first suggested this), that there was an intruder who abducted and killed JBR in the basement. The Ramseys begin searching the house, whereupon their stumble onto JBR's corpse. They can't find any obvious sign of a break-in, other than the basement window and begin to panic, as to the untrained eye this stinks of an inside job. They wrapped JBR's body up carefully and create a phony kidnapping to deflect suspicion.
I have given masses of evidence that points directly the the parents covering up for their strange son.

You should look at Websleuths. They have been examining this case for years and have studied every aspect of it in depth. Not a detail has been overlooked.

The 'intruder theory' has long since been abandoned for the bullsh*t that it really is. There isn't a single piece of evidence that points to an intruder ever having been inside the house on that night. Websleuths have been there - and done that, so to speak, and now they focus on the only people that could have been guilty. And it makes fascinating reading.

The only people who were in the house were the Ramseys. FACT.

Anyone who thinks otherwise probably also believes the world is flat.


And btw Linda Hoffman Pugh was cleared and gave evidence at the Grand Jury.

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Burke wouldn't have done it, got away with it, and not reoffended. If he had accidentally struck his sister on the head, sure, but not garroting her to death. And the notion that John & Patsy strangled her to stage an intruder is equally absurd.
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Burke wouldn't have done it, got away with it, and not reoffended. If he had accidentally struck his sister on the head, sure, but not garroting her to death. And the notion that John & Patsy strangled her to stage an intruder is equally absurd.
what about if one of them strangled her but not to stage an intruder?
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what about if one of them strangled her but not to stage an intruder?
For their own gratification, then? Eh... I'm not buying it. Physical and sexual abuse from a family member is usually systematic. It doesn't often explode into a full-blown sexual torture one Christmas morning.
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Old 12-02-2016, 08:39 AM
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Burke wouldn't have done it, got away with it, and not reoffended. If he had accidentally struck his sister on the head, sure, but not garroting her to death. And the notion that John & Patsy strangled her to stage an intruder is equally absurd.
Harry - if you read all the tons of (circumstantial, granted) evidence you will quickly realise the very real possibility of BR killing his sister.

I don't put every single thing I discover on this website because it would get swamped by my own posts.

It's all there...on the internet.


My theory has changed very little. I think he hit her while they were both in the train room of the basement. He then dragged JBR by the neck of her garment, (which accounts for the white line around her neck) to the area outside the cellar room. He strangled her with the ligature. This is where her bladder emptied.

The parents then discovered her body and this is when the staging took place. They inserted a stick into the ligature to make it resemble a garrote. (This would make the strangling look a lot more vicious than it had been which would point to their 'intruder' being responsible). A sexual motive is always a good one.

There was no 'garrotting' - that was part of the staging.

Somebody (Probably Burke) had already pulled down JBR's pants and inserted a small piece of a broken paintbrush. Her pants were pulled up.

The parents (Patsy) then wrote the ridiculous ransom note.

The couple had to save their son from being taken and put into an institution.

And incidentally Burke disappeared - he was off the grid - for most of his life. There is some quotes and evidence to show he was in intensive therapy for a long, long time.

Now the official line is that he works from home doing computer programming, which probably means he plays computer games. Even Websleuths and Topix haven't been able to come up with what he actually does, but there have been a lot of articles posted about him.

The theory is that - because he was too young to prosecute - a deal was made between the DA and the Ramseys lawyers - that Burke can basically go free (in the care of the parents) as long as he undergoes intensive therapy, anger management and counselling.

And this is the reason the DA did not want the parents to go to trial. He knew they did not actually kill their daughter, just covered it up. The Grand Jury could see what had happened and returned True Bills against the couple for aiding and abetting a First Degree Murder.

As for re-offending. He was closely supervised during the period he actually went back to school. He has been home tutored for most of his school life.

Personally I would not have wanted my child to have been anywhere around him.
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You'll find some lively discussions here......

http://www.topix.com/forum/news/jonbenet-ramsey
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For their own gratification, then? Eh... I'm not buying it. Physical and sexual abuse from a family member is usually systematic. It doesn't often explode into a full-blown sexual torture one Christmas morning.
agree pretty much and fair enough.

but who really knows what evil lurks in the heart of men (or women for that matter, or a boy)? I know I don't and there are some really twisted people out there. Just look at the case of Karla Homolka, who with her husband raped, tortured and murdered her own younger sister. Karla had no priors and they did this on Xmass eve no less!
There are also scores of parents who physically/sexually abused and ended up killing their children with no known priors.

as I keep saying motive is confusing in this case, even if it was an intruder, so just go with the evidence. which IMHO points to someone in the house.
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as I keep saying motive is confusing in this case, even if it was an intruder, so just go with the evidence. which IMHO points to someone in the house.
Motive? There was none. Just anger - a huge amount of it.

The R's were strange people.

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The Grand Jury in Colorado could NOT indict if the perpetrators were under 10 years old.

The case would go automatically and secretly to the District Attorney, who would dispose of it without violating the Colorado Children's Code (without disclosing the identities of the children).

In such instances the DA would normally assign the perpetrator(s) to psychiatric treatment and counselling and have the court seal the case forever - as if it never happened.

IMO this is what happened, and this is why the Grand Jury worded their True Bills against P & J Ramsey in the way they did.

http://www.websleuths.com/forums/sho...d-Case-In-1999


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As for re-offending. He was closely supervised during the period he actually went back to school. He has been home tutored for most of his school life.
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It's been twenty years since the murder, Burke has had plenty of time to reoffend, and once he grew up he wasn't watched 24/7. Apart from amateur detectives reading too much into his social anxiety, there isn't any evidence that Burke has a violent temperament, abused girlfriends, nothing of the sort. Maybe he doesn't come from a "normal" (which is a relative term, anyway) family but that doesn't mean the guy was a child killer.

And yes, JBR WAS garroted. Don't talk about 'staging' as if that's a fact, that's only your opinion. And if they thought JBR was already dead, why stage a strangulation when there's a head wound?
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