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Old 10-28-2014, 02:43 PM
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Default Mrs marple

Canyou gie me a link for barnett family, especially about his older brother
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Old 10-30-2014, 09:03 AM
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Hi Sahilandbaz,

The is various Barnett stuff on the Barnett thread and elsewhere but I will describe the family here from my notes.

Father John Barnett, a docker married Catherine Hayes [ both born in Ireland]

Eldest son Denis born in Chalk Kent 1849. They then moved to the docks area of East London.
children born in East London

Catherine born 1852
Daniel born 1853
Joseph born 1858
John born 1860

John the father died in 1864 which would have left the family destitute, Catherine the wife moves in with Thomas Allman an Irish docker, as housekeeper / ropemaker, whos wife had died the same year. This was survival. He was living in a street parallel to the Barnetts and has a 12 year old daughter.
By the 1871 census the siblings are living together with Denis the eldest in charge. Denis gets his fish porters license [ sorry when i said he was a cabman that was his brother in law] Denis soon marries Mary Anne Garrett,
In the 1881 census they have two children Denis 9 and John 6 and a widowed aunt Mrs Hayes living with them in Bermondsey.
Sister Catherine marries Joseph Beer, a cabman in 1881 they are living in Spitalfields and have two children, Catherine 7 and Elizabeth 5. It was Catherine, Joseph stayed with at the time of MK inquest.[ different address] In 1881 census Joe was visting brothert John. All the siblings seemed close as they did not lose contact with each other.
Mrs Barnett died in in 1885 after marrying Allman a few months before, Allman went on to marry a third time.it was thought that the other brothers did not marry but Sally has discovered John did.
Bruce Paley found out a lot about the family, including the porters licenses but did not know what happened to Catherine and could not find some birth certs. We know more now. Chris Scott did some work on Catherine, finding her second marriage which had been mistranscribed,

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About this cigar making profession, i can say it must be a temporary and easily claimed one. Our poor people sometimes brng home beads and strings and make cheap jewelry. I guess cigar maker in 19th century london could be like this, bringing material and selling the final product.
Hi all,

Just one of my side points, since the world of cigar making in the East End is being tossed so much about. In the 19th Century one English cigar maker of Dutch Ancestry came to the United States (to New York City). Eventually the man turned into a historical giant of his time. He was Samuel Gompers, the founder of the American Federation of Labor (now part of the A.F.L.C.I.O.) and Labor's leading voice in government regulations and arbitration until his death in the 1920s.

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Jeff you continue to amaze me, and I'm sure many others feel the same...

Thanks so much mate

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Jeff you continue to amaze me, and I'm sure many others feel the same...

Thanks so much mate

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Thanks Dave.

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Old 11-01-2014, 02:13 AM
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Default Did you guysnoticed

The one came up with the ripper dairy
Michael Barrett,
I hate this surname barrett, barnett, ...
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Old 11-01-2014, 04:58 AM
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The one came up with the ripper dairy
Michael Barrett,
I hate this surname barrett, barnett, ...
With such reasoning, I'm sure you'll solve the case in no time .
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Old 11-01-2014, 02:39 PM
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Default Another mary ann

Denis barnett married mary ann garrett
Which could be added to mary anns involved
Now six of them?

Wont somebody please check chapman crime scene neighbors james walker and son alfred john walker. Alfred's condition may be false.
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Old 11-01-2014, 03:06 PM
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The one came up with the ripper dairy
Michael Barrett,
I hate this surname barrett, barnett, ...
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With such reasoning, I'm sure you'll solve the case in no time .
MrB's just worries because he's been spotted.
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Old 11-02-2014, 07:36 AM
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Yes i didnt noticed that,
Gotcha!
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