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Only by the arrogant.
No arrogance required - the parallels are there for all to see. Now, that's not to say that your theory is "based" on Stephen Knight's, but it shares some key elements: namely that the canonical victims were known to each other and involved in blackmail, a high-profile surgeon as Jack the Ripper, and an establishment cover-up. Swap Sutton for Gull, throw in the Royal Family, and that's basically Stephen Knight in a nutshell.
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No arrogance required - the parallels are there for all to see. Now, that's not to say that your theory is "based" on Stephen Knight's, but it shares some key elements: namely that the canonical victims were known to each other and involved in blackmail, a high-profile surgeon as Jack the Ripper, and an establishment cover-up. Swap Sutton for Gull, throw in the Royal Family, and that's basically Stephen Knight in a nutshell.
It is quite obvious that Nichols and Eddowes had known each other for over 20 years,since being Sutton's inpatients with rheumatic fever.
The Eddowes and Mary Ann Kelly link is also obvious.

Sutton was not a high profile surgeon.

Crikey,Sutton was Gull's protege. Lived next door to each other.
Gull obviously convinced WE Gladstone that JtR was conducting research that was for the common good,hence WEG's letter to The Times.
Gull was Physician-in Ordinary to the Queen.

Many of Knight's characters are missing.

The differences are many.
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How does stabbing the groin and vagina areas advance medical knowledge?

How does the state of Mary Jane Kelly's body advance medical knowledge?

All it advanced was some lust murderers fantasy to mutilate unfortunates and shock Whitechapel society by leaving the victims open and displayed.

They even pierced organs if not slashed right through them completely.

Jagged cuts the work of medical persons?
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Ask Gull and Gladstone ..... bugger,they're dead.
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Bond,Phillips and Sutton shared two very similar qualifications.
MB and FRCP is close enough.
They were peers.
Sutton passed by Phillips' house to and from work quite often.
Phillips all but named Sutton during Chapman's inquest.
Seriously doubt Jack the Ripper's identity was a big secret in certain circles.
Mary Ann Kelly was the last of the blackmailers. Game over.
None the less Phillips had one last closing "gambit" ..... gain Hutchinson a pardon so the he might identify Henry the Ripper
That's a beautiful imagination you've got there.

It couldn't be that these five women were just a bunch of random unfortunates who fell easy prey to a knife-wielding psycho? Nah, 'course not.
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It is quite obvious that Nichols and Eddowes had known each other for over 20 years,since being Sutton's inpatients with rheumatic fever.
I'm sure most medical practitioners' patients don't know their fellow-patients personally.
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Sutton was not a high profile surgeon.
He was good enough to have an entry on Wikipedia and, as you note, had connections to William Gull.

Along with Gull, Cream, the (fictive) Pedachenko and Stanley, and the wrongly-labelled "Drs" Druitt and Puckeridge, Sutton is just another variation on the mad doctor theme that has featured in ripperology from the outset.
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I'm sure most medical practitioners' patients don't know their fellow-patients personally.He was good enough to have an entry on Wikipedia and, as you note, had connections to William Gull.

Along with Gull, Cream, the (fictive) Pedachenko and Stanley, and the wrongly-labelled "Drs" Druitt and Puckeridge, Sutton is just another variation on the mad doctor theme that has featured in ripperology from the outset.


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Am suggesting that he treated Nichols and Eddowes for rheumatic fever from December 1867 at the London Hospital."

We've been through that before, Dave, but let's not start again here!



I have never suggested Sutton was mad.
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As pointed out a while ago,the Shoreditch Vestry Board included not only Sutton,but also Thomas Stevenson.

Best known to Ripperologists as the toxicologist and forensic chemist in the Cream,Maybrick and George Chapman court cases.

Mary Ann Kelly's inquest was held at it's Head Quarters and her body stored in it's mortuary. Ever wonder about the inadequate performance of the coroner?

Robert Donston Stephenson was a Sutton inpatient during the Ripper murders.
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I have never suggested Sutton was mad.
I'm not saying you have and, as far as we know, neither Cream nor Gull was mad, either. My use of "mad doctor" was only ever intended to be shorthand; perhaps "bad doctor" would have been more appropriate.
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Sutton fills every criteria.

Pathology teacher who had presided over one of the world's great pathology collections.

Known for his sense of working by touch.

No doubt carried chalk just before the start of term,could write in the dark in a neat schoolboy hand and his height tallies with Goulston Street.

I can easily put him on the other side of town for Stride's murder.

Have reasons to suggest he resided at 6 Mitre Street.

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