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Hi Paul

Another one would be Bob Hinton's "From Hell." I wouldn't say that Bob was 'exploiting' stalking, but stalking was in the news at the time of the book's publication. It's almost inevitable that people will be influenced by the times in which they write.

Did HR actually say 'erased'? That would imply that the lives of the victims had been known, but the records were deliberately binned.
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It's almost inevitable that people will be influenced by the times in which they write.
Indeed. Another example might be Stephen Knight's Final Solution, written as it was at a time when talk of conspiracies and official cover-ups was all the rage: JFK, the moon landings, the Profumo scandal, Watergate, etc. There was also quite an appetite for "far-out" thinking at the time, as manifested in Flower Power and its associated New Age/aquarian sympathies, UFO "flaps" and the books of Erich von Däniken, Peter Underwood, Colin Wilson and their ilk.

I sense that the factors which inspired these phenomena still exert an influence on the way some people think, and write, about the Ripper case to this very day.
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Another one would be Bob Hinton's "From Hell." I wouldn't say that Bob was 'exploiting' stalking, but stalking was in the news at the time of the book's publication. It's almost inevitable that people will be influenced by the times in which they write.

Did HR actually say 'erased'? That would imply that the lives of the victims had been known, but the records were deliberately binned.
The article said that Rubenhold was 'blaming "sexist" historical policemen and researchers for erasing the stories of the victims.'

I don't think she meant that the stories were literally erased, only that the stories weren't found out and history doesn't record them. If so, it is an unjust comment for several reasons.
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Indeed. Another example might be Stephen Knight's Final Solution, written as it was at a time when talk of conspiracies and official cover-ups was all the rage: JFK, the moon landings, the Profumo scandal, Watergate, etc. There was also quite an appetite for "far-out" thinking at the time, as manifested in Flower Power and its associated New Age/aquarian sympathies, UFO "flaps" and the books of Erich von Däniken, Peter Underwood, Colin Wilson and their ilk.

I sense that the factors which inspired these phenomena still exert an influence on the way some people think, and write, about the Ripper case to this very day.
I mentioned Knight and the conspiracy theories prevailing in the 70s, and I had in mind the ancient astronaut arguments of Von Daniken and the Bermuda Triangle of Charles Berlitz (with whom I had occasion to cross swords!). There were some minor attempts to exploit anti-Semitic connotations with the Ripper by Nazi propagandists in WWII, of course. I'm not sure how Matters, Woodhall and Stewart fit into the idea, or whether the more factual approach to the subject in the 1990s could be perceived as a reaction to conspiracist arguments of the 70s and 80s, or whether it was simply a desire to get away from 'suspectology'. That was one thing that motivated me, but that motivation actually goes back to the 70s, so I don't know.
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The article said that Rubenhold was 'blaming "sexist" historical policemen and researchers for erasing the stories of the victims.'

I don't think she meant that the stories were literally erased, only that the stories weren't found out and history doesn't record them. If so, it is an unjust comment for several reasons.
If you tried explaining your reasoning for that Paul I get the impression that you’d be accused of ‘mansplaining.’

I might be wrong but I predict that there will be little, if anything, new in this book. We all know how much time and effort researchers have put in trying add to our knowledge of the victim’s lives. There can be very little existing evidence still to be found as these women who were sadly only known because of how they met there end. Before that their lives barely made a ripple on the pool.
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And now back to our regularly scheduled broadcast...


The third talk from the Whitechapel Society's 'Victims' Conference held at Hanbury Hall on 8 September 2018.

Joyce Hampton: The Huguenots: From Victims to Saviours

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JM,

Assuming this is you, whom did you think you were character assassinating here?

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If it wasn't me, shouldn't you man up and admit your mistake?

If it was me, I'll be in touch with my lawyer, J. Noble Dagget at sunup.

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Hi Matty,

I was referring to Richard C. Cobb. The offensive post had been deleted before I made that tweet.

Was it made by you?

If so, my apologies.

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So just to set the record straight, Gary.
It was you who called Hallie Rubenhold a "pampered twat" on JtRForums, which Hallie saw and posted to her 10,000 twitter followers as coming from the Ripperology community. Sounded just like someone else, but thanks for the correction.




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So just to set the record straight, Gary.
It was you who called Hallie Rubenhold a "pampered twat" on JtRForums, which Hallie saw and posted to her 10,000 twitter followers as coming from the Ripperology community. Sounded just like someone else, but thanks for the correction.




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Whatever one might say about 'pampered twat', a single individual isn't the 'Ripperology community' is it? Unfortunately, Rubenhold has attacked Ripperologists from the get-go, so if some are less than polite then what does she expect? It's sadly typical of her that she'd ignore her own actions, take offence at someone else's, and try to tar all Ripperologists with a brush that should be used on one. I'm not trying to take the blame away from anyone, but let's set the balance right. (I'm not aiming that at you, Jonathan, just trying to prevent others from taking sides here.)

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