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Old 07-05-2008, 10:31 PM
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Here on Casebook: Summary and press reports.

http://www.casebook.org/ripper_media...morley/92.html

Time Line: 1888 Nov 5 (approx) Joseph Isaacs takes room at Paternoster-Row, Spitalfields

Nov 9 Mary Jane Kelly found murdered, Miller's Court, house to house inspections commence. Mary Cusins mentions Isaacs to police. He disappears.

Nov 12 Joseph Isaacs prosecuted in Barnet Police Court and sentenced to 21 days hard labor.(1)

Dec 3 He is released from jail at Barnet

Dec 5 He returns to Spitalfields lodging house to get his violin bow. Cusins followed him to nearby Levenson shop where he stole a watch and ran away.

Dec 6 Detective William Record arrests him in Drury Lane. He is taken to police station

Dec 17 He is again charged with an offence at Barnet

1889 - Jan 2 Isaacs, still in police custody, is taken to court where he is tried and sentenced to three months' imprisonment for the robbery of Levensohn's shop.
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He was in jail in Barnet from Nov 12 to Dec 3. During that time, Annie Farmer was attacked at George St., Spitalfields. He was in police custody from when he was arrested Dec 6 to his court appearance Jan 2, 1889. He must have been taken back to Barnet on Dec 17 to have an additional charged lodged against him there. While he was in custody this time, Rose Mylett died in Poplar.

(1) London Met Archives (L.M.A.) County of London North, Calendars of Conviction and Despositions 1889, 2 Jan 1889 - procesution by Julius Levenson/Levenshon for theft of a watch. From the depositions in this case, held in the MSJ/CD series, it would seem that Isaacs was earlier prosecuted in the Barnet Police Court on 12 Nov. and again on 17 Dec., in the same court, by 'John Bennet" for an offence that is unspecified.

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Old 08-08-2008, 07:27 PM
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Hi Roy, thanks for that which I missed at the time of posting.
Just thought I'd add this newspaper item to the story of Isaacs too;

Lloyd's Weekly Newspaper Sunday, December 23, 1888

THE WHITECHAPEL MURDERS-The police are still without any clue to the perpetrators of the recent crimes. It is stated that there is no ground for suspicion against the Polish Jew Joseph Isaacs who was recently arrested in Drury-lane, and whose conduct at a lodging house near the scene of the murder in Dorset-street was so suspicious that special inquiries were instituted by the police. The result is that it is ascertained that at the time of the murder he was undergoing a term of imprisonment for stealing a coat, which proves that he could not have been connected with the murder.

I don't know how accurate it is as I can't find anything else on the stealing a coat story, but it's the only paper that I've seen that has Isaac's with an alibi for the time of MJK's murder.

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Old 08-09-2008, 03:13 AM
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Thanks, Debra I appreciate it.

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An amusing case was heard at the Dover police-court on Tuesday, a man named Joseph Isaacs, who gave false addresses, being charged with attempting to obtain admission to the Admiralty Pier by falsely representing himself to be a detective from Scotland Yard.
The Prisoner presented himself at the entrance to the Pier, and said he was going by the boat. He was refused admission, and he then stated that he was a detective from Scotland Yard, and was sent down to follow a young man who was wanted in connection with the Meux jewel robbery case.
Curiously enough, while the Prisoner was telling his story, a Scotland Yard detective, named Foy, who is one of the detectives engaged in watching the Continental boats, walked up, and, having heard the man's story, made himself known to him, and demanded his warrant card. This he was unable to produce, and he was then taken into custody.
When searched, the Prisoner was found to be wearing a sham medal on his breast and an imitation gold chain, but no watch.
It is supposed that he belongs to the light-fingered fraternity, a number of whom have been infesting the Continental traffic from Dover and Folkstone for some time past, and have given the officials a great deal of trouble.

Whitstable Times and Herne Bay Herald, 30 July, 1887.
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On Friday Police-constable Bentley, who is stationed at Kingstone place, Barnsley, made a clever capture at Dodsworth of a man who gave the name Joseph Isaacs, and claims to be a Jew. It seems that Isaacs was seen in possession of a valuable clarionet. He called at a house at Kingstone place and tried to beg a newspaper in which to wrap the instrument from Paris, and was getting a living by playing it and training horses.
He apprehended him, and brought him to the Westgate Police Station, Barnsley. On hearing the Prisoner's statement as to how he came by the instrument, Superintendent Kane asked the Prisoner to play a tune. This was too much for the Jew, who tried in vain to sound a single note. Subsequent inquiries revealed the fact that the instrument had been stolen from the shop of Mr. Job Walker, musical instrument dealer, Sheffield road, Barnsley.

Sheffield and Rotherham Independent, 19 Sept. 1887.

In another edition of the Whitstable Times and Herne Bay Herald (previous post), a little more detail was provided:
"Joseph Isaacs, who gave false addresses at Spitalfields and Commercial road, London..."

A week later on 26th Sept. 1887, a brief report contained in The Manchester Evening News informs us that on this date Joseph Isaacs was committed to 3 months imprisonment for the charge described above. And, a footnote to the same paragraph reads:

The Prisoner recently was dealt with at Dover for representing himself as a member of the Metropolitan Police.
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As are most of yours Jon (heh heh)

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The Barnet Press
Saturday, 17 November, 1888.


Monday, November 12th, Barnet Petty Sessions.

Joseph Isaacs, an itinerant musician, was charged with having, on November 8th, stolen from the Green Dragon Inn, High-street, Barnet, two coats, of the value of 30s, the property of John Bennett.
- Prosecutor said he was the son of Mr John Bennett, landlord of the Green Dragon Inn. On the night of November 7th prisoner called at the house and asked if he could be accommodated for the night. A bed was provided, and he remained. Next morning he came downstairs and asked to be allowed to clean his boots, but apparently he had only done this for the purpose of seeing who was about, for under some trifling pretence he returned to his room, and was seen to leave the house shortly afterwards. Witness was suspicious of the man, and at once went upstairs and missed two coats which had been there on the previous night. As the result of information received, he started down the New-road in pursuit of prisoner, and after running for about a mile came in sight of him.
When prisoner found he was being pursued he took off a coat, threw it into the road, and commenced to run. Witness whistled to a Mr Fraser to stop the man, and he did so. When asked for the second coat prisoner denied having it, although he was actually wearing it at the time. He was then given into custody and charged. The value of the two coats was 30s.
- Prisoner stated in defence that he took the coats in mistake, and did not return with them because he knew he was coming back that way in the evening; he also urged that had he meditated theft he should have returned to London, and not have walked in the very direction which he had told the prosecutor he intended to take.
- The Chairman said the Bench considered the case fully proved, and sentenced prisoner to twenty-one days hard labour.
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Not to be confused with Isaac Jacob, the guy stopped by police after Alice McKenzie's body was found. I almost made that mistake once.
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The Barnet Press.
Saturday 10th November, 1888.

Joseph in Prison. - On the night of the 7th instant Joseph Isaacs, a travelling musician, and apparently an Israelite, lodged at the Green Dragon, High-street, Barnet. He rose early next morning, and walked off with two coats belonging to the landlord's son. He was pursued and overtaken, but we regret to say that so far from expressing his contrition, Joseph added to his offence that of prevarication. It did not take the police long to discover that the address he gave was false, and a stern Pharaoh in the shape of the Justice of the Peace ordered that the artiste be kept in durance vile till Monday, when he will be brought up at the Barnet Police-court and charged.

[note: "in durance vile" - held in custody]
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