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Old 12-03-2015, 02:09 PM
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But how could he see that it was flesh lying on the table, then?
It will have been a pile of something flesh colour but bloody, and although he didn't mention it, there was likely an odor, or a smell that was not usual for her room.

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Since MJK3 is showing the table and bed barricading the door the testimony of Bowyer becomes easier to understand.
Well, I don't see it the way you see it.
I have no doubt that when the outside door was forced, it was pushed open and banged against a table, the table piled with flesh. That however, does not mean the table was pushed up against the door, it could have been 2ft away.
The way you describe the arrangement of furniture is speculation.

We do have contemporary sketches in the press which show a table under one window, another table at the left side of the bed, as confirmed by a photo. The right side of the bed was adjacent to the partition (with that ghost door), and something like a washstand behind the head of the bed, at the back of the door, once opened.

I think you have picked on a subject that has already been established.
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Old 12-04-2015, 03:54 AM
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I have no doubt that when the outside door was forced, it was pushed open and banged against a table, the table piled with flesh. That however, does not mean the table was pushed up against the door, it could have been 2ft away.
Indeed, Jon, the table would have to have been some distance away for the door to have "banged" against it at all. If it had been put against the door as a barricade, then the table would not have been "banged into", rather pushed across the floorboards and/or toppled over. It was rather a small table, after all - so small, in fact, that its effectiveness as a barricade would have been negligible.
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Sorry Pierre, but it is not showing that. Please stop misrepresenting the evidence.
Regardless, David, im still going to ask:

1. Do you see the doorknob in the upper left corner of MJK3?
2. Can you see the thin white strip in MJK3 being a ray of light shining between the edge of the broken pane window and the curtain?
3. Do you see the bundle of covers at the bottom of the picture of MJK3?

My thoughts...
That door opened inward, and struck that table. Bowyer pushed aside that curtain, and saw that table between ("in front of") him and the bed. He saw those lumps of flesh on that table. That table sits up a little higher than the bed, so he had to look over it to see Kelly.
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Old 12-05-2015, 04:34 AM
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Default Useful old thread on the Kelly photos

There's an old thread with excellent plans/drawings showing potential camera angles (etc) here:

http://forum.casebook.org/showthread.php?t=2480
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Regardless, David, im still going to ask:

1. Do you see the doorknob in the upper left corner of MJK3?
2. Can you see the thin white strip in MJK3 being a ray of light shining between the edge of the broken pane window and the curtain?
3. Do you see the bundle of covers at the bottom of the picture of MJK3?
I assume those questions are addressed to Pierre, not me, Mr St Devil.
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Old 12-05-2015, 05:02 AM
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There's an old thread with excellent plans/drawings showing potential camera angles (etc) here:

http://forum.casebook.org/showthread.php?t=2480
An interesting thread Sam, in which Simon Wood was comprehensively schooled by someone who obviously knew what he was talking about.
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There's an old thread with excellent plans/drawings showing potential camera angles (etc) here:

http://forum.casebook.org/showthread.php?t=2480
Thanks Sam.

The hypothesis in that one is that we see curtains on MJK. But why does the "curtains" have squares on them?

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I assume those questions are addressed to Pierre, not me, Mr St Devil.
In this instance, Mr Orsam, it is your opinion that i am interested in.
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Old 12-06-2015, 05:19 AM
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In this instance, Mr Orsam, it is your opinion that i am interested in.
May I ask why?

The only comment I have made on MJK3 is that it does not show the table and bed barricading the door.

Are you saying that you think MJK3 does show the table and bed barricading the door? If so, how are your three questions relevant to that point? If not, why are you interested in my opinion?
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Old 12-06-2015, 05:51 AM
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Perhaps if the photographer obtained several negatives the question would be how come we only know of one decent photo plus one that may have been manipulated in some way. MJK3 has a number 4 in the bottom right corner, for example, which may or may not signify anything.
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