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Old 08-23-2018, 11:14 AM
Joshua Rogan Joshua Rogan is offline
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I believe Mr. Flynn was referring to the piece of Kate Eddowe's apron found in Goulston Street, which is east of Mitre Square; so yes, it is generally accepted by a number of leading historians that the Ripper fled deeper into the East End after the Eddowes murder.
But Goulston Street is still West of Commercial Street, so doesn't such a trajectory point directly toward the Victoria home?
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Old 08-23-2018, 11:32 AM
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Beat me to it, Joshua, but spot on.

I’ll elaborate further later on.
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Old 08-23-2018, 11:43 AM
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I believe Mr. Flynn was referring to the piece of Kate Eddowe's apron found in Goulston Street, which is east of Mitre Square; so yes, it is generally accepted by a number of leading historians that the Ripper fled deeper into the East End after the Eddowes murder.
But is there a consensus among the experts about the route he took? Couldn't he have sought the nearest point of exit from the City and made for Haydon Square to the south of Goulston Street? And then headed north directly towards Commercial Street?

I'm not saying he did, but it's surely possible.
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Old 08-23-2018, 12:46 PM
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She usially lived in Great Pearl St, remember, which is about the same distance from the Victoria Home as Mitre Square.
It's not so much a question of distance, but of the focus of social activity. The lives of the residents of the Spitalfields slums would have revolved around the same streets, pubs and shops. Don't get me wrong - I don't believe for one minute there was a strong chance of Sarah Lewis recognising George Hutchinson, but I'd say there was far greater chance of this happening than of his being recognised by Lawende et al.
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Old 08-23-2018, 12:48 PM
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The Ripper's 'trajectory' deeper into the East End after Mitre Square is a solid mark against the Hutchinson theory since Hutch stayed in lodgings near Dorset Street.
You’re jesting, RJ, surely?

You do realise that the apron disposal location lay on a direct path of retreat from Mitre Square to Hutchinson’s lodgings at the corner of Wentworth and Commercial Streets? That anyone taking the quickest and most direct route between the two locations would have passed the GSG spot? The Victoria Home was located in the very heart of the district in which the murders were committed, with the sites themselves fanning out in every direction from it. If you know of a suspect or person of interest with a more centrally located bolt hole, do tell.

I’m afraid your ignorance of East End geography is very much on display here, and it is something I would be more than happy to disabuse you of in the form of a brief tour whenever you’re next in Blighty.

Why would the Victoria Home’s night deputy single out Hutchinson for investigative scrutiny upon the latter’s arrival post-crime when it accommodated 500 men a night, coming and going at all hours?

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Old 08-23-2018, 12:48 PM
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But Goulston Street is still West of Commercial Street, so doesn't such a trajectory point directly toward the Victoria home?
Hi Joshua. Correct, but I accept Wickerman's argument that the Victorian home was not Hutchinson's usual lodgings, which I believe were closer to Dorset Street, as judged by his account of his movement on the night of the Kelly murder. I grant you that the precise location is unknown and unknowable.

Second, don't you think the lodging-house keepers would have been closely questioned by the police following the double event? The most obvious question would have been to ask them about any late night stragglers. Had Hutchinson been one of them ducking in at 1.30 a.m., he would have been questioned, and after his re-emergance following the Kelly murder, his goose would have been cooked. IMHO.
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Does anyone feel that the removal of victim’s body parts, and the subsequent need to ‘store’ them counts against the Ripper living in a communal dosshouse?
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Old 08-23-2018, 12:59 PM
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Ben - Go back and re-read Wickerman's many posts on Hutchinson's lodgings. I realize it has been stated by nearly every author of the case that Hutchinson's usual lodgings were the Victoria Home, but that does not make them correct; it only makes them guilty of repeating the same error over and over.


It is perfectly reasonable that Hutch would have been chased down for an interview at his present known location--the Victoria Working Men's Home. Indeed, as a casual laborer where else could they have found him? Did they aimlessly go poking around the docks or the many stables in the East End? Of course not. And if the interview was conducted in the Victoria Home, why would Hutch have refered to his "usual lodgings" if he was sitting in them at the time?

Personally, I think Wick noticed something that had previously gone unnoticed. So no, I don't accept your argument on many levels. Regards.

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But Goulston Street is still West of Commercial Street, so doesn't such a trajectory point directly toward the Victoria home?
I believe it does, Josh, but he needn't have stopped there, of course That said, I really don't think that he'd have lived too far away from the VH, if not in it.
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Old 08-23-2018, 01:04 PM
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Does anyone feel that the removal of victim’s body parts, and the subsequent need to ‘store’ them counts against the Ripper living in a communal dosshouse?
Who says he needed to store them in the dosshouse, though? Or store them at all, for that matter.
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