Alice McKenzie - some details not seen before

[John Wheat]

Of course not.

McKenzie wasn't mutilated to the extent of some of the other C5 and then there's the question why the cessation after McKenzie

[Harry D]

McKenzie wasn't mutilated to the extent of some of the other C5 and then there's the question why the cessation after McKenzie

You believe Bury was the Ripper, so all bets are off.

[John Wheat]

You believe Bury was the Ripper, so all bets are off.

That doesn't answer my questions though does it Harry D. I suppose you're going to say he was incarcerated after McKenzie's murder as well for another unrelated crime or something.

[Debra A]

It seems that McCormack's account may have contained a kernel of truth. This is from The Guardian (Boston, Lincs) of 17th August, 1889.

Many of the facts check out:

http://www.jtrforums.com/showthread....t=Peterborough

Thanks, Gary. Great research there.

[Harry D]

That doesn't answer my questions though does it Harry D. I suppose you're going to say he was incarcerated after McKenzie's murder as well for another unrelated crime or something.

Who knows, John? We don't have the killer's biography.

[Abby Normal]

And yet they overlap during the Autumn of Terror, and either side of the next Ripper-esque murder after a lull in both series.

Nope, too much of a coincidence.

Hi harry
Same for me. And both series end at the same time. McKenzie and pinchin.

[Abby Normal]

One of the Torso murders overlapped during that short blitz, and two more near the same time as the next "Ripper-esque" murder. Two series happening in the same city, at the same time, where women were mutilated/butchered and uteri were removed. This cannot be dismissed as readily as you think.



They both happened in London, and not the opposite ends of the city either. And you can't blithely gloss over Pinchin Street. Now we have one series spilling over into the other's territory.

Anyway, you know we've been through all this before. The killer might have had a bolthole further west, where he carried out the Torso series, whereas Whitechapel was closer to home.

Bingo harry
Good post.

[Darryl Kenyon]

I am not discounting Alice but i do wonder about the injuries to her neck. Looking at the reports it seems she was stabbed twice in the neck creating one four inch wound. Once the killer had penetrated the flesh twice, why not drag the knife along the front of the neck left to right like the other victims ? This was almost certainly his preferred way of making sure the poor women where dead. I know killers can change their MO but it does seem strange that once he has the victim on the ground with the knife in her neck, why stop there ?

[Sam Flynn]

Excellent point, Darryl, and spot on.

[Harry D]

Hi harry
Same for me. And both series end at the same time. McKenzie and pinchin.

Hey Abby,

I don't think the Lambeth 1902 torso can be definitively ruled out, either.

[John Wheat]

Who knows, John? We don't have the killer's biography.

The cessations all point to Jack not being McKenzies killer though Harry D.

[Harry D]

The cessations all point to Jack not being McKenzies killer though Harry D.

And the throat cutting, abdominal mutilations, location, and victim profile would suggest that McKenzie was a Ripper victim.

[John Wheat]

And the throat cutting, abdominal mutilations, location, and victim profile would suggest that McKenzie was a Ripper victim.

But the cessations make these all moot points.

[Sam Flynn]

And the throat cutting, abdominal mutilations, location, and victim profile would suggest that McKenzie was a Ripper victim.

Her wounds were minor compared to the canonical mutilation murders, and the victimology too general to read much significance. Casual prostitution was commonplace, and prostitutes weren't exactly thin on the ground.

[Harry D]

Her wounds were minor compared to the canonical mutilation murders, and the victimology too general to read much significance. Casual prostitution was commonplace, and prostitutes weren't exactly thin on the ground.

How many prostitutes were slain in that manner before the Autumn of terror?