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If the killer came up behind Liz, cutting her throat swiftly and silently pulling her back with the scarf as he did so whilst lowering her to the ground [maybe trying to avoid a thud] , and she never even saw him. Thus no time to react. How long would it before she lost conciousness?
If her hand was in a sort of fist holding the cachous, would it still not be as she reached for her scarf in the second or two before she lost conciousness?
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No time to react? How long does it take to let go of a packet of sweets?
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No time to react? How long does it take to let go of a packet of sweets?
Just a thought Sam but if she lost conciousness straight away, not sure, but do the hands not tighten?
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Just a thought Sam but if she lost conciousness straight away, not sure, but do the hands not tighten?
I'm not sure either, but I think it's unlikely she'd have lost consciousness right away in any case, even with a swift cut to the throat. Besides, I'd guess that letting go of a packet of sweets would take only milliseconds.
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the cashoo is the biggest red herring in ripperology.

she simply held on to them through the attack and death. one can come up with all kinds of reasons and excuses that she SHOULD have dropped them. she didn't. simple as that.


its common knowledge now that victims will do this. Its not that uncommon that murdered victims will be found still clutching something in there hand. Even victims of violent car accidents do this.

to try to deny this just means you cant grasp the idea because you think something else should happen or it dosnt fit with some pre conceived theory.

she held on to them get over it.
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to try to deny this just means you cant grasp the idea because you think something else should happen or it dosnt fit with some pre conceived theory.
Calm down, dear! I don't have a preconceived theory; just trying to reconstruct her final movements, that's all. If she wanted one final sweet before death, or fished out the packet mistaking it for a hanky to staunch her blood, that simply makes it all the more poignant. Whether true or not, I still find it difficult to see that she was so suddenly bumped off she couldn't even manage to drop a bag of sweets. Not that it matters much either way.
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Calm down, dear! I don't have a preconceived theory; just trying to reconstruct her final movements, that's all. If she wanted one final sweet before death, or fished out the packet mistaking it for a hanky to staunch her blood, that simply makes it all the more poignant. Whether true or not, I still find it difficult to see that she was so suddenly bumped off she couldn't even manage to drop a bag of sweets. Not that it matters much either way.
LOL> Sam I wasn't talking specifically about your post-which is why I didn't use quote function!!!

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or fished out the packet mistaking it for a hanky to staunch her blood,

now that's not a bad idea-the best one yet Ive heard other than she just held on to them during the attack! never seen this one before.
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These cachous are often described as being in a packet. A packet could be a paper bag, or a box.
I don't see any newspaper describing the packet as a bag, but one newspaper does call it a box.

"The body when found was quite warm. In one hand was clutched a box of sweets, and at her breast were pinned two dahlias; she was respectfully dressed for her class, and appears to be about thirty-five years of age."

https://www.casebook.org/press_repor.../18881001.html
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