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Old 04-01-2008, 08:22 PM
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Default The Red Handkerchief...

...Where is it?

According to Hutchinson's official statement:

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She said she had lost her handkerchief. He then pulled his handkerchief, a red one, and gave it to her.
So where did it go? It's not mentioned at the scene at all, and I think they would look for it among the burnt bits of cloth after what he told them. Even if it burned, material charrs and rarely gets entirely destroyed. They should have been able to find some evidence of it but if they did, it's not mentioned. Maybe another reason not to lend a huge amount of credence to this guy?

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Old 04-01-2008, 08:31 PM
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Hi Chava,

Conspiracists will no doubt intimate that police did find it, which is why Abberline believed him! The problem with this scenario is twofold: A) Why no mention of it in the initial report? And B) Why, in light of this corroboratory red reg, did they discard his evidence eventually?

In all likelihood, the hanky never existed, and Hutchinson had merely "borrowed" that detail from Lawende's Church Pasage description. Even if they did find such an item, it would only confirm the presence of a red handkerchief in the room, not Hutchinson's version of how it got there, meaning it could have belonged to Hutchinson himself.

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Old 04-01-2008, 08:36 PM
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Hi All,

It's been mentioned before, but how did GH determine the handkerchief was red when gaslight (which burns with a greenish hue) renders red objects as either brown or black?

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Old 04-01-2008, 10:48 PM
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It's been mentioned before, but how did GH determine the handkerchief was red when gaslight (which burns with a greenish hue) renders red objects as either brown or black?

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Simon
.....but Simon,Lawende allegedly saw a man with a red handkerchief round his neck in the even more dimly lit Church Passage.
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Old 04-01-2008, 10:59 PM
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.....but Simon,Lawende allegedly saw a man with a red handkerchief round his neck in the even more dimly lit Church Passage.
Then again, Lawende was Jewish - and Jews, as we know, eat a lot of carrots.







...scrub that. I got "rabbits" and "rabbis" muddled up
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Old 04-01-2008, 11:20 PM
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Hi Guys,
I am not so much intrested in the actual colour, of the alleged hankerchief, more so Kellys request for one.
'Oh I have lost my hankerchief'.
Two points that spring to mind are, the term 'Oh' [ as in 'Oh murder'] also the obvious use of requiring a hanky,, is to wipe ones nose, or blow it, which could indicate a possible infection.
The statement made by Maxwell as I have many times on Casebook mentioned, contained the following observation, 'Her eyes looked queer as if suffering from a heavy cold'.[this is apparently quoted from a missing part of her statement, which I read in the early seventies].
The nearest I have read with similiar details is from McComack in which it is mentioned as the term'All muffed up with cold'.
The significance of that is obvious.
If two independant witness ie, Hutchinson/Maxwell observed that the woman described as Mjk .
a] Reguired the use of a hanky at 2am
b]looked like she was 'in cold' at 815am.
Then Mary Kelly had to be killed after Maxwells last sighting, or the woman found in room 13 was not her.
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Old 04-01-2008, 11:24 PM
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Then again, Lawende was Jewish - and Jews, as we know, eat a lot of carrots.

Yes and as the Welsh eat a lot of leeks they have started to see green dragons Sam!







...scrub that. I got "rabbits" and "rabbis" muddled up
[hey how did that happen----that was my joke about the dragons!]
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Old 04-01-2008, 11:36 PM
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As I'm half-Jewish, would the hankie have appeared orange to me?

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Hi,
The simple fact we all forget, Victorian eyeset was used to the light that us in modern times cannot comprehend, they were use to gaslight/candlelight, and therefore items of colour, would have been described as seen, and not thought of as suspicious by the media/police during that period.
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Old 04-02-2008, 12:07 AM
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Hi Natalie,

Red kerchiefs!

Gadzooks! Scotland Yard's finest had at last latched onto a clue.

Two or more so years after Mitre Square, Lawende was asked to identify Sadler, hauled up for something or other and also on the off chance of being JtR.

BUT—

Sadler was twenty years older than the man Lawende described seeing in Church Passage. He also had sticky-out ears—something Lawende didn't mention and couldn't have missed.

Two red neckerchiefs in thirty months. What an amazing coincidence!

Now, I ask you . . .

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