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Hi Paul

Another one would be Bob Hinton's "From Hell." I wouldn't say that Bob was 'exploiting' stalking, but stalking was in the news at the time of the book's publication. It's almost inevitable that people will be influenced by the times in which they write.

Did HR actually say 'erased'? That would imply that the lives of the victims had been known, but the records were deliberately binned.
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It's almost inevitable that people will be influenced by the times in which they write.
Indeed. Another example might be Stephen Knight's Final Solution, written as it was at a time when talk of conspiracies and official cover-ups was all the rage: JFK, the moon landings, the Profumo scandal, Watergate, etc. There was also quite an appetite for "far-out" thinking at the time, as manifested in Flower Power and its associated New Age/aquarian sympathies, UFO "flaps" and the books of Erich von Däniken, Peter Underwood, Colin Wilson and their ilk.

I sense that the factors which inspired these phenomena still exert an influence on the way some people think, and write, about the Ripper case to this very day.
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Another one would be Bob Hinton's "From Hell." I wouldn't say that Bob was 'exploiting' stalking, but stalking was in the news at the time of the book's publication. It's almost inevitable that people will be influenced by the times in which they write.

Did HR actually say 'erased'? That would imply that the lives of the victims had been known, but the records were deliberately binned.
The article said that Rubenhold was 'blaming "sexist" historical policemen and researchers for erasing the stories of the victims.'

I don't think she meant that the stories were literally erased, only that the stories weren't found out and history doesn't record them. If so, it is an unjust comment for several reasons.
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Indeed. Another example might be Stephen Knight's Final Solution, written as it was at a time when talk of conspiracies and official cover-ups was all the rage: JFK, the moon landings, the Profumo scandal, Watergate, etc. There was also quite an appetite for "far-out" thinking at the time, as manifested in Flower Power and its associated New Age/aquarian sympathies, UFO "flaps" and the books of Erich von Däniken, Peter Underwood, Colin Wilson and their ilk.

I sense that the factors which inspired these phenomena still exert an influence on the way some people think, and write, about the Ripper case to this very day.
I mentioned Knight and the conspiracy theories prevailing in the 70s, and I had in mind the ancient astronaut arguments of Von Daniken and the Bermuda Triangle of Charles Berlitz (with whom I had occasion to cross swords!). There were some minor attempts to exploit anti-Semitic connotations with the Ripper by Nazi propagandists in WWII, of course. I'm not sure how Matters, Woodhall and Stewart fit into the idea, or whether the more factual approach to the subject in the 1990s could be perceived as a reaction to conspiracist arguments of the 70s and 80s, or whether it was simply a desire to get away from 'suspectology'. That was one thing that motivated me, but that motivation actually goes back to the 70s, so I don't know.
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The article said that Rubenhold was 'blaming "sexist" historical policemen and researchers for erasing the stories of the victims.'

I don't think she meant that the stories were literally erased, only that the stories weren't found out and history doesn't record them. If so, it is an unjust comment for several reasons.
If you tried explaining your reasoning for that Paul I get the impression that you’d be accused of ‘mansplaining.’

I might be wrong but I predict that there will be little, if anything, new in this book. We all know how much time and effort researchers have put in trying add to our knowledge of the victim’s lives. There can be very little existing evidence still to be found as these women who were sadly only known because of how they met there end. Before that their lives barely made a ripple on the pool.
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And now back to our regularly scheduled broadcast...


The third talk from the Whitechapel Society's 'Victims' Conference held at Hanbury Hall on 8 September 2018.

Joyce Hampton: The Huguenots: From Victims to Saviours

https://www.casebook.org/podcast/listen.html?id=204

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