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Old 02-21-2015, 09:01 AM
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Those days could also be an homage to the Norse Gods or days when his favorite cricket team won their games or days when it rained the previous year in Peru. Take your pick.

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1 in 331,776 chance that it is coincidence that the 4 dates for the Ripper murders fall on the dates of saints who protected the same occupation that the police thought the Ripper held. That is what I base this on - science.
Okay. But you haven't answered my question.
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Please correct me on this one - I have the strong impression I'm missing on the wrong lines completely, but I would say chance for the first event would be 15/365, the next would be 14/364 (first event removed and one day removed and so on, so you would get (15/365)*(14/364)*(13/363)*(12/362), which is in the realms of 700,000:1. Still impressively large, but not the millions, and only for those specific dates, not accounting for the other 11 dates when "nothing" happened.
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Please correct me on this one - I have the strong impression I'm missing on the wrong lines completely, but I would say chance for the first event would be 15/365, the next would be 14/364 (first event removed and one day removed and so on, so you would get (15/365)*(14/364)*(13/363)*(12/362), which is in the realms of 700,000:1. Still impressively large, but not the millions, and only for those specific dates, not accounting for the other 11 dates when "nothing" happened.
Thanks for the input Hakeswill! Using these figures. (365/15)*(364/15)*(363/15)*(362/15) The chance that four dates in a row would fall on one of these saint days is 1 in 344,861. In this calculation I have removed a day for each event, but allowed that a saint can be repeated.
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How many practicing Catholics actually know which saints map on to which professions? Major saints are often the patrons of a dozen things.
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How many practicing Catholics actually know which saints map on to which professions? Major saints are often the patrons of a dozen things.
I don't know how many Catholics. I do know that, of the things that Major saints are the patrons of, very few include the type of suspect that the police were seeking, people whose jobs required knives and a working knowledge of anatomy.
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How many practicing Catholics actually know which saints map on to which professions? Major saints are often the patrons of a dozen things.
Very good points. However, Butler's Lives of the Saints was first published in the mid-eighteenth century, and a Victorian Catholic of the correct means could have purchased a set of the books. (Though Thompson seems to have been rather poor, sometimes.)
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Old 02-22-2015, 08:52 PM
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Very good points. However, Butler's Lives of the Saints was first published in the mid-eighteenth century, and a Victorian Catholic of the correct means could have purchased a set of the books. (Though Thompson seems to have been rather poor, sometimes.)

Thanks. I was waiting for someone to bring up the book 'Butler's Lives of the Saints'.

Point 1:
Thompson studied as a priest at Ushaw College. This college had one of the largest Catholic libraries in the country that was resplendent with rare manuscripts. Thompson spent many hours and years, reading from old church histories, hidden behind mountains of books.

Point 2: Butlers Lives of the Saints was published by Burns & Oates. This firm were designated publishers to the Holy See’ by Pope Leo XIII. These same publishers were instrumental in the sale of books by Francis Thompson.
It was they that printed the, ‘Works of Francis Thompson’ Thompson’s ‘Works’ was posthumously released, in three volumes of green cloth and gold gilt, they were what Viola Meynell, the daughter of Thompson’s publisher, would come to call,

'The bringing into existence of the complete counterpart of the man, the body of his mind made whole and perfect.'


Wilfrid Meynell, Thompson’s friend and publisher was literary adviser to Burns and Oates. It was they who funded the Burns Library in Boston College, that holds Thompson’s manuscripts and houses the Francis Thompson room. These manuscripts by him contain many essays he wrote on the lives of the saints, including some that fell on the dates of the Ripper murders. In 1999, I wrote to Paul Burns, the commissioning editor of the firm. He was also the author of several books on Saints and Saint days.

I sent him a copy of my non-fiction book, telling him that their poet, Francis Thompson, probably killed at least five women. Here is his response on June 7 1999,

‘Dear Mr Patterson
Thank you for your letter of 14 May and a copy of 'Paradox.' As you say, this is hardly a potential book for Burns & Oates. I have dipped into it fairly extensively and as yet failed to find any convincing connection between Francis Thompson and Jack the Ripper, but maybe I shall in time. In view of the connections between Burns and Oates and Francis Thompson and the Meynells I hope I might keep this copy as an interesting contribution towards a possible history of the firm. I certainly do not find it in any way lacking in goodwill, sympathy and respect, so please set your mind at rest on that score.
Best wishes.’
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Old 02-23-2015, 04:47 AM
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Was Jack the Ripper purposely choosing to kill on dates devoted to Patron Saints?


August 31st.
Saint Raymund the patron of the innocent, the falsely accused and midwives.

September 8th.
Saint Adrian the patron saint of Butchers and Soldiers.

September 30th.
Saint Jerome the patron saint of Doctors.

November 9th.
Saint Theodor the patron saint of Butchers and Soldiers.
Hmm, I'd hazard a guess that if a killer was picking murder dates based on Saints, he'd try and stay in the same religion, not cross pick between Roman Catholic saints and Greek Orthodox saints. They don't actually share saints you know, other than a few primary founders of christianity.
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Old 02-23-2015, 05:40 AM
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Hmm, I'd hazard a guess that if a killer was picking murder dates based on Saints, he'd try and stay in the same religion, not cross pick between Roman Catholic saints and Greek Orthodox saints. They don't actually share saints you know, other than a few primary founders of christianity.
These saints were found in books on Catholic saints. Did you notice that they are all saints who lived in the East, while Thompson lived in the East End?
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