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Old 06-23-2018, 05:59 PM
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I think the first name is wrong, isn't it, for Poll's fella.
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Thanks Pat and Pat D.

No, it isn't our man. Wrong Christian name and age. From something Debra found we believe our guy was in the army until 87/88.

Our Fogarty had a few spells in the Whitechapel infirmary, but by and large he was a St Geo E man. He was shown as a carver/wood carver on some of the early records, but in later years his occupation was shown as either hawker or beggar.

In 1893 he and Poll were shacked up together in Northeast Passage off Wellclose Square. The priest carrying out the RC census bracketed them together and wrote Not Married beside their names. They took the hint and shortly afterwards tied the knot at The Church of the English Martyrs in Great Prescott Street.

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The 1901 census shows Thomas Fogarty in Wandsworth Prison.

Interestingly, his occupation is given as a hawker of laces, the same as that of the blind man who reportedly stabbed his female guide in broad daylight on the morning of Annie Chapman's murder.
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This incident reportedly took place on the morning of Annie Chapman's murder.

ANOTHER WOMAN STABBED

On Saturday a man suddenly attacked a woman in the Spitalfields Market while she was walking through. After felling her to the ground with a blow he began kicking her and pulled out a knife. Some people who had collected, having the terrible tragedy that had brought them there still fresh in their minds, on seeing the knife raised such piercing shrieks of "Murder!" that they reached the crowds in Hanbury Street. There was at once a rush for Commercial Street, where the markets are situate, as it was stated by some that there was another murder, and by others that the murderer has been arrested. Seeing the immense crowd swarming around him, the man who was the cause of the alarm made more furious efforts to reach the woman, from whom he had been separated by some persons who had interfered on her behalf. He, however, threw these on one side, fell upon the woman, knife in hand, and inflicted various stabs on her head, cut her forehead, neck and fingers before he was again pulled off. When he was again pulled off the woman lay motionless - the immense crowd took up the cry of "Murder", and the people who were on the streets raised cries of "Lynch him!" At this juncture the police arrived, arrested the man, and after a while had the woman conveyed to the Police Station in Commercial street, where she was examined by the divisional surgeon. She was found to be suffering from several wounds, but none of them were considered dangerous. She was subsequently removed to the London Hospital, where she was detained as an in-patient. Her assailant is described as a blind man who sells lace in the streets, and whom she lead about from place to place. The blind man is described as having a most ungovernable temper, and he was seen whilst the woman was leading him along to stab her several times in the neck. The affair occurred mid-way between Buck's row and Hanbury street, where the last two horrible murders have been committed.



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The more that I hear of Fogarty, with his ungovernable temper, the more suspicious I become of him. The knife attack on the woman by a ‘blind lace seller’ would be a considerable coincidence if it wasn’t Fogarty. He’s at least indirectly linked to Tabram through Poll. At the very least he’s a strong candidate for Tabram’s murder.

If he wasn’t blind.........
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In 1901 Millicent was at 474 Cable St with her dad and siblings. Her mum was in the London Hospital.
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The more that I hear of Fogarty, with his ungovernable temper, the more suspicious I become of him. The knife attack on the woman by a ‘blind lace seller’ would be a considerable coincidence if it wasn’t Fogarty. He’s at least indirectly linked to Tabram through Poll. At the very least he’s a strong candidate for Tabram’s murder.

If he wasn’t blind.........
I'd hate to stretch Foggy's case beyond reason, but I don't see his blindness as any kind of a problem.

I just wish I could find his post-1888 criminal record. I've found him in the Wandsworth registers and on the 1891 census, but the only court calendars I've found are from the 1870s, before he joined the army.
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In 1901 Millicent was at 474 Cable St with her dad and siblings. Her mum was in the London Hospital.
Thanks, Rob.

Her mum hadn't been attacked by a vicious blind beggar by any chance? ;-)
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I'd hate to stretch Foggy's case beyond reason, but I don't see his blindness as any kind of a problem.

I just wish I could find his post-1888 criminal record. I've found him in the Wandsworth registers and on the 1891 census, but the only court calendars I've found are from the 1870s, before he joined the army.
I’ve just re-read my own post Gary and I may have been unclear. When I said
“If he wasn’t blind “ i meant ‘if he wasn’t blind he would have made a good ripper suspect.’ I genuinely think that he could have been Tabram’s killer.
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