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Old 11-14-2016, 10:58 AM
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Amazing stuff Joshua! Thanks again!
I wonder if there is any way to gain access to the documents.

I imagine someone must have done so before, surely?
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Very interesting as I thought this wasn't a case of their simply being no evidence to back up her story, but indeed strong evidence that her husband was alive and well for years after the Prince Alice disaster.
Yes, good point about her husband being alive for several years after the sinking. That seems to indicate that the paper was perhaps mistaken about the evidence.

Just a thought, but I sometimes wonder if the tale of the "Princess Alice disaster" refers not to the sinking, but to some personal incident that occurred in the pub of the same name (on Commercial Street) which resulted in the breakdown of the Stride's marriage - perhaps that's when she lost her teeth?
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I'd imagine someone has surely looked into it before, but if you feel like doing a spot of research, it seems to be reasonably straightforward if you're local

http://www.cityoflondon.gov.uk/thing...s/default.aspx
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Old 11-14-2016, 11:22 AM
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I'd imagine someone has surely looked into it before, but if you feel like doing a spot of research, it seems to be reasonably straightforward if you're local

http://www.cityoflondon.gov.uk/thing...s/default.aspx
I live in Oxford, so not a million miles off by any stretch of the imagination, but sightly out of my way

One thing I do mean to do is find any information I can about Druitt and his time in Oxford. But that's just put off curiosity, I really don't see him as a likely candidate
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There are some lists here that might be of interest.
Originally posted by Chris Scott on Casebook:
http://forum.casebook.org/showthread.php?t=928

There is also this fuller list compiled from newspapers on this site:
http://www.alsbury.co.uk/princessalice/alice0.htm

And a Facebook group connected to that page linked here
http://www.alsbury.co.uk/princessalice/

I couldn't help but notice some people named Watts listed.
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Top work, Debs! I'd just come across the second website list myself.... No sign of any Stride, either as witness or victim, unless I've missed it.

Sad to see that GUT's relative was one of the victims. What a horrible way to go.
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Top work, Debs! I'd just come across the second website list myself.... No sign of any Stride, either as witness or victim, unless I've missed it.

Sad to see that GUT's relative was one of the victims. What a horrible way to go.
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I wondered if the reporter checked for the name Stride or Watts in the 1878 reports? As I mentioned, there are some Watts in the list so the reporter may have still been under the impression she was Elizabeth Stokes whose first husband was named Watts when he went to check? Just a thought.

Regarding Elizabeth Stokes, I did some research here on her three marriages but there wasn't a man named Dent among them IIRC.
I'm also still puzzled by what I originally said about Mary Malcolm seemingly adopting waifs and strays- a sister and a random father:

http://www.jtrforums.com/archive/index.php/t-16036.html

Yes, very sad about GUTS ancestor.
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Well, it's a thought, but the article that mentions the identifying of the bodies does specifically say Elizabeth Stride, so it seems unlikely the reporter would have checked for another name, but you never know.

I have no idea what's going on with Mrs Malcolm and her sister, they do seem to have been quite strange. Liz Stokes does admit to memory problems, so perhaps both sisters inherited that issue from one or another of their fathers?
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Well, it's a thought, but the article that mentions the identifying of the bodies does specifically say Elizabeth Stride, so it seems unlikely the reporter would have checked for another name, but you never know.
So it does, Joshua..scrap that then.
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