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Old 11-05-2016, 09:26 AM
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Hi Columbo,

radically different methods are ruling this case. It is a cold case from 1888-1889. Therefore it is an historical case. We use historical methods and historical sources.

There is no conviction.



Those are not the object for research here. There could be thousands of such crimes through time and today. We have one single historical case here. It calls for using idiographical methods.



Motivations do not make a serial killer. Serial killing does. But an historically well established and relevant motive is historically needed if you write history.



I think that all these items are required if you want to make an historical case. Otherwise your case will be very weak.



I have all the items in the fulfilled list and still I am not finished:

1. Time periods for starting, stopping, starting again and finally stopping.

2. A clear motive distinctly connected to these points in time.

3. A clear motive connected to the choice of murder dates.

4. Sources indicating that he was at the crime scenes.

5. Sources showing he had the skills to do what the killer did.

6. Historical sources explaining why he was not caught.

7. Historical sources explaining why the sources giving his motive, time periods, skills, and so on and so forth, exist.

8. Historical sources explaining the unexplained sources in the case.

9. It has to shed light on everything.

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Sorry Pierre, I'm not able to accept your last list without proof.

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Old 11-05-2016, 09:34 AM
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Sorry Pierre, I'm not able to accept your last list without proof.

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I think that will apply to the majority of those on here.

And as I said he will not give details, and we are now, for a while at least , off the moral issue it seems, and on the I want to give the whole picture argument.

Pierre, don't worry that is not an attempt at a quote, just a summary.


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Old 11-05-2016, 09:59 AM
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What does that mean?
That I answered a post I had already answered before.
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Old 11-05-2016, 10:34 AM
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That I answered a post I had already answered before.
thanks, I wasn't sure. I've seen it before but didn't know.

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Old 11-05-2016, 01:23 PM
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Sorry Pierre, I'm not able to accept your last list without proof.

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Of course, and you shouldn´t accept anything without evidence.

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Old 11-05-2016, 02:43 PM
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Of course, and you shouldn´t accept anything without evidence.

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That's funny on a Lechmere thread.
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Old 11-05-2016, 03:14 PM
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A motiveless sex crime is a motiveless sex crime regardless of whether it is historical or contemporary, current or cold.
There is no such thing as a motiveless crime, Henry. The motivation might be trivial, abstruse or even bizarre, but it's always there somewhere.
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As i indeed predicted you would say.


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There is no such thing as a motiveless crime, Henry. The motivation might be trivial, abstruse or even bizarre, but it's always there somewhere.
Yeah, thanks Garry. In the context of the discussion between Pi-error, Columbo and myself it shouldn't be too hard to make out what I actually meant.

In case it Is too hard for you, here we go. A crime that is sexual, that is based on the fulfilment of disordered sex drive, as many serial murders are, will not have a traditional motive that can explain times, dates, locations, everything - as Pierre claims his motive does. This is the stuff of melodrama and movies, not real life lust murders.

Of course there is a motive to all crimes. But a motive that is purely the satisfaction of something buried in the individual psyche will not function the way Pierre's melodramatic theory would want it to.
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Dear Trevor,

While we are answering questions related to the heart in another thread

I remembered you had STILL not given any response to the following.:

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Round 2

A master butcher gave his opinion in relation the suggestion that a butcher could have been the killer


Yes you have merely repeated what you said yesterday.

The same questions still apply.

Why only one asked?

What did he say?

Who was he?

A link to the published or videoed opinion

Just saying someone has said something, is simply not good enough for adults.

So perhaps you could find time to give the answer requested several times now.



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