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Old 11-12-2018, 01:18 PM
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So one could conclude that is may have been probable that some of the victims were still alive when he started to cut into them?

That's so terrible. How sad.

These poor women. . .it makes me terrified to think of what they went through during their last moments on earth.
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So one could conclude that is may have been probable that some of the victims were still alive when he started to cut into them?

That's so terrible. How sad.

These poor women. . .it makes me terrified to think of what they went through during their last moments on earth.
I think a modern view of the case would detect that they were strangled prior to having their necks cut. The medical examiners almost want to say as such but the wounds to the neck seem so traumatic as to have not left behind much evidence on the neck's directly, but there is a lot of bruising and thumbprints around their lower jaw in nearly all the victims except Kelly and we can't tell there because her face including jaw were slashed and hacked away. Chapman as well as Tabram have what even looks like slightly protruding tongues even in their morgue shots. I think a modern pathologist would say the signs point to strangulation for them.
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I've always been of the personal opinion that Kelly fought back as hard as she could till she was either rendered incapacitated or killed during her struggle. Her throat could have been cut while she was in the process fighting off her attacker.

Out of all the victims I believe she was one of the few that knew she was going to die an unpleasant death, and this is one the most terrifying things I can ever imagine having to go through.

Hopefully she did not suffer for too long. Any other thought would just bring horror to my mind.
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She's also the only one with unquestionable defence wounds, which is surprising that the others lack
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She's also the only one with unquestionable defence wounds, which is surprising that the others lack
IMO, that is because with the others he blitz attacked from the front and forced them by the neck and lower jaw to the ground. The modern view is likely manual strangulation followed by consciousness loss, followed by slicing the neck.

The gravitational thrust downwards can't happen in the case of MJK because she is already prostrate on a soft bed.

Bond believed she had a sheet thrust over her head and the knife wound made through the sheets, cutting her throat.

Defense wounds suggest a struggle. Which may happen to gel with witness hearing shouts of murder.
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Just another point I want to mention here which strongly suggests absolutely no medical knowledge or experience what-so-ever.

Amputation failure. In several instances, there is evidence of his trying to amputate some part and failing to do so.
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