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Old 02-22-2015, 02:25 PM
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The biggest question I have is, if I were a mason, and I was out killing women for Queen and Country to protect the monarcy (and our standing in society) do you think that I would cut them up according to "established" mason ritual?
If you were a true Mason, why would you NOT do according to established Masonic ritual?
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You know, I'm rather surprised that Gull wasn't a Mason. Given the social circles in which he moved, I would have expected him to join the Masons as a matter of course.
Just for the record, I believe William Gull was a Mason. It appears he was a member of the Lodge of Hope (Brightlingsea), joining young, before he started his medical career.

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I always find that Gull and the Royal Family's ties to the Masons are always considered proof of a Masonic connection to the Whitechapel Murders, and it is looked at with dismay that such a sorry connection could exist.

While I find the Royal Conspiracy has been pretty much debunked in recent years it still is flung up occasionally, as proof of the corruption of upper-crust British society.

Like most social groups, most Masons are nice and good people, who use the group to help charities and such. However, there have been Masons who were not so nice.

1) Dr. Edward William Pritchard, the Glasgow poisoner, was a high ranking Mason.
2) Frederick Seddon, the poisoner of his live-in tenant Eliza Barrow in 1911, not only was a Mason, but proclaimed his innocence in court under his Masonic banner to basically call upon his fellow Mason, Mr. Justice Bucknill, to do something to overcome the guilty verdict. Bucknill was deeply upset and moved by Seddon's action, but proceeded to condemn him to death, but then tried to comfort Seddon to reflect on the crime, and to recall that Masons are opposed to crime.

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Default Gull's Masonic Membership

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Default William Gull's Masonic initiation record - 1861

Even though he had been a non-paying member of the lodge in earlier years, Gull was initiated into the Masons in 1861.
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I think we have a genuine find here, well done SZ.
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Certainly looks like Gull's signature,however he had been living at 8 Finsbury Square for 13 years prior.
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Certainly looks like Gull's signature,however he had been living at 8 Finsbury Square for 13 years prior.
The names all look to be in the same handwriting, I don't think they are signatures.
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Old 04-04-2018, 05:28 AM
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Did notice that.
Nonetheless,apart from the "l"s, it is close to Gull's signature.
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Might that particular William Gull be Mr William Gull, the owner of a bricklaying company who, in 1861, aged 45, was living at 60 High Street, Brightlingsea, Essex?
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