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1881 census for Bethnal Green police station...........


PS Arthur HALL
PC Charles SLY
PC Richard HAYTON
PC George MEREDETH
PC William RUSSELL
PC Tom ANDREWS
PC John ALLEN
PC David DANIELS
PC Jospeph THOMPSON
PC Martin McDONALD
PC Gerald AINMAN
PC Charles PERBURTON
PC Ralph ELLICOTT
PC Charles PLUMLEY

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All but two names appear on both censuses.....

PS Arthur HALL 81/91
PC Charles SLY 81/91
PC George MEREDITH 81/91
PC William RUSSELL 81/91
PC Tom ANDREWS 81/91
PC John ALLEN 81/91
PC David DANIELS 81/91
PC Jospeph THOMPSON 81/91
PC Martin McDONALD 81/91
PC Charles PERBURTON 81/91
PC Ralph ELLICOTT 81/91
PC Charles PLUMLEY 81/91

.....and yet done of them are documented as being involved in the Ripper case and yet it is well documented that THANE was sent to Bethnal Green station to get more officers, by the law of averages some of these `constables` must have been those listed above?
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Either Census will list police actually at the station.

Does not matter if they reside there or not.

Being out on patrol is another matter and depends on the rules of the particular Census.
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Either Census will list police actually at the station.

Does not matter if they reside there or not.

Being out on patrol is another matter and depends on the rules of the particular Census.

Interesting, so your suggesting that these officers, may only be the ones physically in the station at the time at the census (not necessarily resident within the station)? That the ones out on patrol may not have been recorded?

Did that not run the risk of them being recorded twice (at home and at work) or indeed not at all?
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Either Census will list police actually at the station.

Does not matter if they reside there or not.

Being out on patrol is another matter and depends on the rules of the particular Census.

So by that rational, there will have been considerable more bobbies stationed at Bethnal Green Station than the ones documented on the census and the only real way of ascertaining the exact amount, would be via a nominal roll, which I imagine no longer exist?
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Either Census will list police actually at the station.

Does not matter if they reside there or not.

Being out on patrol is another matter and depends on the rules of the particular Census.

Have been mulling this over, what are the odds of it being the same officers in the station on duty, in 1881 and then again in 1891, without them being residents. I can't help but think that this list in fact reflects those who were resident and not those who just happened to be on duty.
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It also seems strange that they didn't get any new officers in ten years, to replace the two who left...
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Interestingly out of all the officers in the 1881 & 1891 census I could only find results for two of them, that means that all the rest must have joined before 1879. But what is curious is that there are several officers with the same name in the same division but didn't join till after 1881 so couldn't be the same officer on the census and that accounts for most of them?

74715 PC George MEREDITH Joined 05.08.1891 posted to J whole service with J retired 14

74117 PC Tom ANDREWS Joined 31.12.88 posted to J by 97 was in X retired 15 in L

76309 PC John ALLEN Joined 27.10.90 posted to J left 98 from A

76432 PC David DANIELS Joined 15.12.90 j posted to J retired 19 from V

66410 PC Joseph THOMPSON Joined 17.04.82 posted to N 87 J 97 J 02 J retired 07 J

67021 PC Charles PLUMLEY Joined 07.08.1882 K 87 J 95 V

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It also seems strange that they didn't get any new officers in ten years, to replace the two who left...
There are a couple of names that appear on the 1881 that are not on the 1891 census

PC Richard HAYTON

PC Gerald AINMAN

...and the 1891 that don't appear on the 1881

PC Richard HAIGTER



I know that PC CHAPPELL joined J Division in 1888 and in 1889 gave his address as the Station on his marriage certificate, he remained in J Division in Bethnal Green until 1911. So there's one name that didn't appear on either census, but lived in the station, in the time between.
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