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Old 12-05-2018, 12:53 PM
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If she took her meal around midnight, what was A Man doing standing talking to her at 2 in the morning with a fish supper in his hands? In short the fish supper in question could not have been the one that Kelly partook of at "around midnight"
I am saying around midnight.

I would not rule out later as you have.
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If you look at the sketch of Kelly's room which appeared in Reynolds News, which I believe was drawn by someone who was there, we see a pair of shoes kicked off in front of a chair, with what appears to be a coat loosely hanging off the back of it.
Hi Sam the coat may be the coat left there by Maria Harvey
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I am saying around midnight.

I would not rule out later as you have.
I'm not ruling anything out or in. How can you say that she took her meal around midnight, and maintain that A Man's parcel contained fish and chips? I don't know about you but if someone said to me that they had had a meal around midnight I would assume they meant within 20/30 minutes either side of midnight. How far does "around midnight " stretch too? Two hours, three hours, six hours?
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Who was it that wrote her clothes were folded (on a chair?), and her shoes placed by the fire?

I can't remember the source, but not the actions of someone "very drunk".
Mary Ann Cox - She was called Mary Jane. I last saw her alive on Thursday night, at a quarter to twelve, very much intoxicated
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Hi Sam the coat may be the coat left there by Maria Harvey
It looks like the coat was casually draped on the chair, and there's a pair of equally discarded-looking shoes on the floor in front of it. I'd bet a pound to a penny that it was Mary Kelly who slung the coat on the back of that chair, then sat on it to take off her shoes.
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I remember asking this a few years ago, as I couldn't find any contemporary source that said her clothes were "neatly folded", and that remains the case. I think the idea is a more recent invention that's somehow slipped into accepted use.

If you look at the sketch of Kelly's room which appeared in Reynolds News, which I believe was drawn by someone who was there, we see a pair of shoes kicked off in front of a chair, with what appears to be a coat loosely hanging off the back of it.
I remember talking about that quote with Debs years ago, I just can't recall if we identified the source.

This must be the pic you mention...
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That's the drawing, Jon.
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It looks like the coat was casually draped on the chair
Of course Dew states that the/a coat was used as a curtain to block the window. Another of Dew's inconsistencies?

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Of course Dew states that the/a coat was used as a curtain to block the window. Another of Dew's inconsistencies?

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Sea pilot's coat,by memory?
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Sea pilot's coat,by memory?
Dew just says that it was an "old coat". I don't know where the "[pilot] coat in the window" story originated, but I see that various press reports of 10th November say this: "It is stated that a man's pilot coat has been found in the murdered woman's room, but whether it belonged to one of her paramours or to the murderer has not."

Did someone - Dew? - put two and two together to make five? Was the "coat in the window" a myth? In the press, Bowyer only seems to refer to pulling aside a [muslin] curtain or a blind, and says nothing about poking a great big [pilot] coat out of the way.

Interesting!
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