Prater's stairs

[Wickerman]

Yes, the Kate Marshall case. My mistake on the year - but the murder took place in late 1898, not 1899. There is a full account of it in the Illustrated Police news on 12/3/1898.

Yes, the details I used came out of the court case at the Old Bailey, from Jan 1899.

[Wickerman]

You would have saved yourself a lot of time Stephen, if you had spoken with a Draftsman first.

[Stephen Thomas]

You would have saved yourself a lot of time Stephen, if you had spoken with a Draftsman first.

So tell me, Jon. What exactly is wrong with my diagram?

[Wickerman]

Stephen.
Before you put pen to paper, it is advisable to verify your sources.

Q1 - What size was Kelly's room?

Ans:
- "about 12ft. square," (Star)
- "about 15ft. square," (Daily Telegraph)
Which is it?

The Goad Plan shows Kelly's room was not "square".
Therefore, both press estimates are questionable.

Here a 10ft 'hatched' square, derived straight from the Goads scale, is superimposed on Kelly's room. In fact I draw two 10ft squares side-by-side, so we can see that Kelly's room is an extra half-width of a second 10ft square.



Therefore, according to Goads scale of 40ft = 1", the answer to Q1 is:
- Kelly's room is a nominal, 15ft x 10ft.

Finally, the Whitechapel Board of Works published the fact that House 6 in Millers Court was 12ft x 12ft, and the Goads Plan does support the fact that House 6 is certainly "square", whereas Kelly's room is not square.
Also, Kelly's room is wider than House 6, so wider than 12ft.

These are your sources Stephen.
Care to choose the most likely reliable source?

Only then, can we put pen to paper.

[Pierre]

Stephen.
Before you put pen to paper, it is advisable to verify your sources.

Q1 - What size was Kelly's room?

Ans:
- "about 12ft. square," (Star)
- "about 15ft. square," (Daily Telegraph)
Which is it?

The Goad Plan shows Kelly's room was not "square".
Therefore, both press estimates are questionable.

Here a 10ft 'hatched' square, derived straight from the Goads scale, is superimposed on Kelly's room. In fact I draw two 10ft squares side-by-side, so we can see that Kelly's room is an extra half-width of a second 10ft square.



Therefore, according to Goads scale of 40ft = 1", the answer to Q1 is:
- Kelly's room is a nominal, 15ft x 10ft.

Finally, the Whitechapel Board of Works published the fact that House 6 in Millers Court was 12ft x 12ft, and the Goads Plan does support the fact that House 6 is certainly "square", whereas Kelly's room is not square.
Also, Kelly's room is wider than House 6, so wider than 12ft.

These are your sources Stephen.
Care to choose the most likely reliable source?

Only then, can we put pen to paper.

Calculation using Goad´s give:

The measures of the walls were 2,85 and 5,39 meters.

Number 13 was 15,42 square meters.

[richardh]

17.6 ft X 9.3 ft ??

[Stephen Thomas]

You're talking bollocks, mate.

If you have the definitive measurements for room 13 then please tell.

Nobody else has figured them out so far.

[Stephen Thomas]

I was talking to Wickerman in the post above.

[Pierre]

You're talking bollocks, mate.

If you have the definitive measurements for room 13 then please tell.

Nobody else has figured them out so far.

Hi Stephen,

If you were addressing me:

I have figured them out. It is easy. Dorset Street was 25 ft = 7,62 m.

Put a ruler across the street on the map and you get 12 cm.

Divide 7,62 by 12. You get that 1 cm = 0,63 m.

Measure the room in 13 Miller´s Court on the same map. It is 4,5 * 8,5 centimeters.

Convert this into meters by multiplying 4,5 and 8,5 with 0,63 respectively.

The measures of the walls in the room in 13 Miller´s Court were 2,85 and 5,39 meters.

Multiply these and you find out that the room was 15,42 square meters.

Regards Pierre

[Pierre]

I was talking to Wickerman in the post above.

OK!

Regards Pierre

[richardh]

Q: Is the Goad map scale reliable and accurate?

I know it doesn't care about window/door/opening positions and sizes but I'm talking about the buildings?

If yes then why can't we can establish an accurate measurement that we can all agree on?

[Wickerman]

Q: Is the Goad map scale reliable and accurate?

Charles Goad built his business on these maps, in two countries.
On what grounds are we to challenge the dimensions provided?

I know it doesn't care about window/door/opening positions and sizes but I'm talking about the buildings?

If yes then why can't we can establish an accurate measurement that we can all agree on?

We can, if there's an alternate interpretation, lets see it.

[Wickerman]

You're talking bollocks, mate.

If you have the definitive measurements for room 13 then please tell.

Nobody else has figured them out so far.

In other words, you're out of your depth.

[Stephen Thomas]

Q: Is the Goad map scale reliable and accurate?

I know it doesn't care about window/door/opening positions and sizes but I'm talking about the buildings?

If yes then why can't we can establish an accurate measurement that we can all agree on?

Hi Richard

No we can't but a couple of feet here or there isn't worth worrying about.

What is important is the big picture.

(the Ordnance Survey map is probably more correct).

[Wickerman]

[B]

I have figured them out. It is easy. Dorset Street was 25 ft = 7,62 m.

Put a ruler across the street on the map and you get 12 cm.

Yes, Dorset St. is 25ft wide, but what scale are you measuring at?

For instance, the scale on the map is 40ft = 1 inch.
Brushfield St. is 40ft wide (property line to property line).
Have you printed this out so that Brushfield St. is 1 inch wide, in order to set your scale?