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Old 12-28-2009, 07:13 PM
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Hello lyn!

Well, I hope, that the Cumry people here can answel that!

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Apropos of nothing, I once compiled a short list of any mentions of the teeth of the victims, possibly inspired by the Morning Advertiser 10th Sept mention that Annie Chapman had;

"two of her front teeth missing, as had Mary Ann Nichols"

However, in the Times 14th Sept, Dr Phillips is reported as describing Chapman's teeth as "perfect, as far as the first molar, top and bottom, and very fine teeth they were"

Polly Nichols actually had 5 teeth missing, according to Dr Llewellyn at her inquest. Although he doesn't specify their position, her father Edward Walker identified her body partly by "some of the front teeth being missing"

Liz Stride had her mouth examined by Phillips, and he initially found that "all the teeth on the left lower jaw were missing". On checking again because of reports of damage to the roof of her mouth he "could not find any injury to or absence of anything from the mouth".

DI Reid, however, says "she had lost her upper teeth in front", so one of them (at least) must be mistaken.

Catherine Eddowes, according to one report (for which I forgot to note the source) apparently had 16 teeth missing!

And Mary Jane Kelly, according, at least, to the Thanet Advertiser 17th Nov had "two false teeth in her upper jaw"
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I wonder if there's some ambiguity to the phrase 'teeth missing'? One can well imagine these women 'losing' teeth as a result of being punched, especially by a man. But that might not knock the whole tooth out - the root might still be there, as a stump. Actual absence of a whole tooth might suggest dental work, which would be a bit pricey for these women.

I could imagine teeth getting chipped and then gradually crumbling away if something hard was bitten on.
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I wonder if there's some ambiguity to the phrase 'teeth missing'? One can well imagine these women 'losing' teeth as a result of being punched, especially by a man. But that might not knock the whole tooth out - the root might still be there, as a stump. Actual absence of a whole tooth might suggest dental work, which would be a bit pricey for these women.

I could imagine teeth getting chipped and then gradually crumbling away if something hard was bitten on.
If they had years of poor dental hygiene it is more likely they suffered from severe gum disease which causes teeth to become loose as the root slowly detaches itself from the rotting connective tissue.
They would then start to fall out.
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Indeed so, Yabs. Poor diet would also have been an exacerbating factor.
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