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Old 11-15-2017, 12:16 PM
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The Tottenham Court Road case is interesting in it's own right. It differs in a couple of regards which may provide a clue to us. The biggest difference is the head was recovered in this case. Initially thought to be the body of an animal the head was thrown in a dustbin and carted away to the dump. Later the head was recovered at the dump.

Second, the authorities determined death to be four to six months prior. The body parts were covered in Chloride of Lime, which putting two and two together, indicates this body was stored in a certain place before being deposited. I believe it was about this time the killer was making a move from his residence/workplace. TOD would have been about April to June of 1884. Then in September or October he is depositing the parts along Tottenham Court Road.

In 1881, Richard Lawrence was living on Jeffry Street, about a block away from where some of the Rainham Parts were thought to have been deposited in the Regents Canal. Jeffry Street connected to Kentish Town Road heading south, which turned into Camden High street further south, which turned into Hamstead Road at Mornington Crescent finally turning into Tottenham Court Road where it crosses Euston. It was basically the same road with different names. Sometime between 1881 and 1888,Richard Lawrence moved a half mile SE of Battersea Park.
wow-interesting stuff Jerry!

But I thought you had wildbore as a suspect? whos this Lawrence chap?
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wow-interesting stuff Jerry!

But I thought you had wildbore as a suspect? whos this Lawrence chap?
Abby what thread have you been reading? Lawrence is the other worker who was in the vault on wildbore
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one thing of note though is how far tottenham court rd is from the thames
Yes, but so was the Regents Canal.

I think you know I have looked seriously at the Board of Works connection over the years. There was a huge trash destructor in George Yard, owned by the Board of Works. Also the land where the Pinchin torso was dumped was owned by the Board of Works. Their main office was close to John Arnolds newspaper stand in Charing Cross. And of course, a letter was sent with a kidney to George Lusk who was a member of the Board of Works and was also a builder. Patrick Mulshaw was watching a project bt the Board of Works around the corner from Bucks Row and James Blenkinsop, who was near Mitre Square the night of the Eddowes murder,was a watchman for some road improvements. I would imagine he worked for the Board of Works? Last, the construction of the tramway on Commercial Street was going on in the autumn of 1888.

A lot of possible construction/navvy/Board of Works connections. Elizabeth Jackson, incidentally, was seen with a man of a navvy appearance just before her disappearance.

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wow-interesting stuff Jerry!

But I thought you had wildbore as a suspect? whos this Lawrence chap?
If you don't know me by know Abby, I have about 40,000 suspects depending on the day. lol

Richard Lawrence was working on the site with Wildbore. He put Wildbores tools away on Saturday and took them back out on Monday morning. He is described by Wilbore as "my laborer". He is the man on Tuesday morning that Wildbore supposedly lit a match and showed the parcel to and then they both went away thinking it was nothing. I feel they could be in cahoots. Both lived in the Battersea area in 1888.
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Yes, but so was the Regents Canal.

I think you know I have looked seriously at the Board of Works connection over the years. There was a huge trash destructor in George Yard, owned by the Board of Works. Also the land where the Pinchin torso was dumped was owned by the Board of Works. Their main office was close to John Arnolds newspaper stand in Charing Cross. And of course, a letter was sent with a kidney to George Lusk who was a member of the Board of Works and was also a builder. Patrick Mulshaw was watching a project bt the Board of Works around the corner from Bucks Row and James Blenkinsop, who was near Mitre Square the night of the Eddowes murder,was a watchman for some road improvements. I would imagine he worked for the Board of Works? Last, the construction of the tramway on Commercial Street was going on in the autumn of 1888.

A lot of possible construction/navvy/Board of Works connections. Elizabeth Jackson, incidentally, was seen with a man of a navvy appearance just before her disappearance.
Of course jerry and I think you are right about the board of works. have you gave meager a look yet?
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What does it mean when they say a thigh and some human flesh? perhaps debs knows?
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If you don't know me by know Abby, I have about 40,000 suspects depending on the day. lol

Richard Lawrence was working on the site with Wildbore. He put Wildbores tools away on Saturday and took them back out on Monday morning. He is described by Wilbore as "my laborer". He is the man on Tuesday morning that Wildbore supposedly lit a match and showed the parcel to and then they both went away thinking it was nothing. I feel they could be in cahoots. Both lived in the Battersea area in 1888.
OK thanks!
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Abby what thread have you been reading? Lawrence is the other worker who was in the vault on wildbore
I have a bad memory and a little slow on the uptake
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Abby,

I posted this on a different thread awhile back. Even in the day, they thought two men might be responsible. This article also seems to include Jack in on the deed.

The Echo September 16, 1889

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Abby,

I posted this on a different thread awhile back. Even in the day, they thought two men might be responsible. This article also seems to include Jack in on the deed.

The Echo September 16, 1889

Interesting Jerry
Have you looked into whether wildbore/Lawrence have any connection to the ripper murders?
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