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Old 11-06-2016, 08:16 AM
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Have you tried to find out of there are other examples of serialists who killed their own wives along with other victims? There is normally a sharp borderline between domestic killers and killers of strangers.
Well, John Christie was just put forth, but if the answer to your question is no, does that mean it's ever happened? Of course not, but there are several cases of SKs beating their wives, nearly killing them on occasion. There has to be a first time for everything. Maybe Bury was the first?

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Maybe I mis-read but didn't he almost come to tears when he was shown a newspaper or something by his lawyer and was afraid he would be considered a JTR suspect?

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I'll find this again for you. I saw something similar on Wikipedia about him, and I lost my link to the other but If I track it down I'll post it.

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Yes, I know - and more?
Carroll Cole.

And Henry Lee Lucas murdered his common-law wife.

How's that?
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Carroll Cole.

And Henry Lee Lucas murdered his common-law wife.

How's that?
Thatīs three.

To me, that signals that it is a very rare thing.

What does it signal to you?
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Thatīs three.

To me, that signals that it is a very rare thing.

What does it signal to you?
That there's a precedent for this sort of thing, no matter how statistically rare it might be, and therefore Bury cannot be discounted.
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That there's a precedent for this sort of thing, no matter how statistically rare it might be, and therefore Bury cannot be discounted.
Yes, there is no law of nature that says that a serialist cannot kill both strangers and his own wife. But I think we knew that from the outset. So it all becomes a question of how common it is. And it is anything but common - it is very, very unusual.

So to expect that Bury was another such person is less likely.

Furthermore, Bury also went to the police and told them about the murder, and serialists who do this are alse very, very rare creatures.

So both of these matters speak very much against Bury as being the Whitechapel killer. And that was what the thread was about, was it not?
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Yes, there is no law of nature that says that a serialist cannot kill both strangers and his own wife. But I think we knew that from the outset. So it all becomes a question of how common it is. And it is anything but common - it is very, very unusual.

So to expect that Bury was another such person is less likely.

Furthermore, Bury also went to the police and told them about the murder, and serialists who do this are alse very, very rare creatures.

So both of these matters speak very much against Bury as being the Whitechapel killer. And that was what the thread was about, was it not?
The problem is that Jack the Ripper was very rare.
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The problem is that Jack the Ripper was very rare.
Very true Pierre, jack was very rare for his time.

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Old 11-06-2016, 04:44 PM
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Yes, there is no law of nature that says that a serialist cannot kill both strangers and his own wife. But I think we knew that from the outset. So it all becomes a question of how common it is. And it is anything but common - it is very, very unusual.

So to expect that Bury was another such person is less likely.

Furthermore, Bury also went to the police and told them about the murder, and serialists who do this are alse very, very rare creatures.

So both of these matters speak very much against Bury as being the Whitechapel killer. And that was what the thread was about, was it not?
True, but let's hypothesize some. What if he was a multiple personality disorder victim? what if he was a drug addict that blacked out when high.

Everyone knows the biggest challenge with Bury is his admission of guilt and method of killing his wife. Does that completely exonerate him of JTR?

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True, but let's hypothesize some. What if he was a multiple personality disorder victim? what if he was a drug addict that blacked out when high.

Everyone knows the biggest challenge with Bury is his admission of guilt and method of killing his wife. Does that completely exonerate him of JTR?

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Hi Colombo

I'm not sure what you mean by admission of guilt. If you mean Bury never admitted being guilty of being JTR this is far from certain. If the chalk messages were written by Bury that could be seen as an admission of guilt and we simply don't know if Bury admitted his guilt to James Berry. Also is the strangulation followed by mutilation of Ellen Bury really a weak point when you consider how few Ripper suspects have a proven history of violence let alone murder with a knife and with similar MO to four of the C5?

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