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Old 11-04-2018, 12:28 PM
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Was it ever ascertained why PC Harvey was fired 9 months later?
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No, but Gavin Bromley provides some background on Harvey and Watkins in addition to an analysis of the Mitre Square Murder in Ripperologist no. 75 (January 2007).
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No, but Gavin Bromley provides some background on Harvey and Watkins in addition to an analysis of the Mitre Square Murder in Ripperologist no. 75 (January 2007).
Thanks. City Beat (Part II).
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I'm so sorry for this omission. Neil Bell and Rob Clack provide a much more detailed background of PC Harvey in the Ripperologist no. 104 (July 2009)
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I'm so sorry for this omission. Neil Bell and Rob Clack provide a much more detailed background of PC Harvey in the Ripperologist no. 104 (July 2009)
That's a good reference also. Thanks.
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JtR could see him coming all the way down the passage, stopping, looking around, turning, and going back the way he came.

I wonder why Harvey was fired from the force within 9 months after this.
I don't know why I get the feeling, about the the Mitre sq murder that, due to the short time JTR had that he was in the square when Harvey looked in, I feel that Harvey must have seen something but basically chose to not get involved, sounds bad doesn't it but, what if, knowing that jtr was a crazed killer, Harvey took the easy out option and just didn't fancy a tussle with this mad man. Jtr is thought by some to be reckless to the point of not caring if he was caught, I think when cornered and as a last resort, I think Jtr would have stood his ground. I just can't believe that he was not seen by one of the Policemen or even the night watchman, he took an incredible chance in Mitre sq.

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So what exit did the killer use to leave the Square?
It could only have been via Mitre Street

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Agreed Trevor.
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I don't know why I get the feeling, about the the Mitre sq murder that, due to the short time JTR had that he was in the square when Harvey looked in, I feel that Harvey must have seen something but basically chose to not get involved, sounds bad doesn't it but, what if, knowing that jtr was a crazed killer, Harvey took the easy out option and just didn't fancy a tussle with this mad man. Jtr is thought by some to be reckless to the point of not caring if he was caught, I think when cornered and as a last resort, I think Jtr would have stood his ground. I just can't believe that he was not seen by one of the Policemen or even the night watchman, he took an incredible chance in Mitre sq.
Much of what you write seems to be influenced by the time window.
My view is the time window is wrong.

If the woman seen with a man in Duke street at the end of Church Passage was not Eddowes, then the traditional time window with all its complications disappears, and is replaced by the timing of Watkins alone as he passed through the square at 1:30, then returned at 1:44.

Swanson wrote that Lawende did not identify the body as the woman he saw, and that the clothes of the victim were only 'similar'.
So I wouldn't place a whole lot of reliance on that couple being Eddowes with her killer.
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For once I totally agree with you, and would add that the killer would have been able to see the outline of Harvey coming down the passage as there was another lamp I believe at the entrance to the Passage in Duke Street.

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The obvious drawback with this scenario is it casts doubt on Watkins story of him passing through the square at 1:30.
Did he really check that corner?
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