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Old 11-01-2018, 02:09 AM
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In the Whitechapel murders, we have a problem that requires a solution. A solution which may be a clue. That problem is over poor lighting conditions and how JtR could have operated in darkness.

First of all, did he, in fact, work in total darkness or was there some available light? Do the weather conditions even provide us with the opportunity of intermittent moonlight? Is the claim he worked in the dark supported by the evidence? Questions like these.

Tabram's body was probably not even seen by many passersby on the stairwell landing because it was so dark.

Nichols body was found in such a dark spot that her wounds could not even be clearly seen. However wasn't there a street lamp somewhere nearby?

Chapman's body was in a back garden. Was there enough light from the houses around to see her? Seems maybe not given the fence and corner where she was found.

Stride's body was found in darkness and took a candle to see the wounds. Even Diemshutz's match wasn't sufficient.

Eddowes' body was found in darkness in Mitre sq. Was there enough light from the buildings around?

Kelly's body was found in a room which had a fireplace which was recently used. Seems JtR found light from this fire.

The whole light issue is a mystery. What is the best explanation put forward for this fiend with night vision and a healthy diet of carrots for vitamin A?
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I've no interest in Tabram
The others, bar Stride, were deposited .
It's the only sensible solution .
There was no light in Buck's row .
If you believe Long or Cadosche then if Chapman killed on the spot it happened in broad daylight which is bizarre .
You're right about Dutfields yard so it should go without saying that the conditions were the same up the road 45 mins later ...... there was no light in Mitre Square .There were two lamps in the square but only one was working properly and was too far away from the body to be of any use .
It was overcast and raining , no moonlight at all.
They weren't killed where found other than stride
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I've no interest in Tabram
The others, bar Stride, were deposited .
It's the only sensible solution .
There was no light in Buck's row .
If you believe Long or Cadosche then if Chapman killed on the spot it happened in broad daylight which is bizarre .
You're right about Dutfields yard so it should go without saying that the conditions were the same up the road 45 mins later ...... there was no light in Mitre Square .There were two lamps in the square but only one was working properly and was too far away from the body to be of any use .
It was overcast and raining , no moonlight at all.
They weren't killed where found other than stride
So this explanation has them being murdered under some lighting conditions elsewhere and then deposited away from that place later. However wouldn't JtR have been able to carry out everything he wanted from Nichols onwards? Surely operating on Eddowes would have resulted in far less smash and grab and less facial cut randomness to his art? Half ears cut off?

This image suggests Eddowes was found in a considerable pool of blood around here.

Also, why carry Chapman through a house to dump her in the backyard?
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So this explanation has them being murdered under some lighting conditions elsewhere and then deposited away from that place later. However wouldn't JtR have been able to carry out everything he wanted from Nichols onwards? Surely operating on Eddowes would have resulted in far less smash and grab and less facial cut randomness to his art? Half ears cut off?

This image suggests Eddowes was found in a considerable pool of blood around here.

Also, why carry Chapman through a house to dump her in the backyard?
That pool of blood you mention in the sketch is considerably smaller than you believe.
It was just one side of the neck and ran under the neck because of the pavement. A wine glass full would make that pool
Secondly you have to question the accuracy .
Eddowes was wearing three skirts and a petticoat according to the itinerary, so where are they ?
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Eddowes was wearing three skirts and a petticoat according to the itinerary, so where are they ?
So, how did JTR see in the dark?

(We're only on page 2 of this thread, and we're already straying off-topic.)
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So, how did JTR see in the dark?

(We're only on page 2 of this thread, and we're already straying off-topic.)
I was responding to a question by the OP regarding a pool of blood .If the OP wishes his post to stray surely that's his/her choice .

Lighting ..... in answer to your question
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That pool of blood you mention in the sketch is considerably smaller than you believe.
It was just one side of the neck and ran under the neck because of the pavement. A wine glass full would make that pool
Secondly you have to question the accuracy .
Eddowes was wearing three skirts and a petticoat according to the itinerary, so where are they ?
There is blood all around the upper part of her body except maybe the top of her head.

What is written on the lower blood pool which even extends to legs?
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The killer was used to the typical lighting conditions of late 19th century London at night. This doesn't seem particularly strange to me.
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There is blood all around the upper part of her body except maybe the top of her head.

What is written on the lower blood pool which even extends to legs?
It says clotted on the right .
Fluid on the left .
Still a tiny amount of blood
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If you believe Long or Cadosche then if Chapman killed on the spot it happened in broad daylight which is bizarre
It was in the light of dawn, sunrise being at 5:23, so not quite broad daylight to be precise.
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