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Old 03-15-2015, 06:14 AM
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To me the distance between each murder were not as important as the directions that Ripper headed.
"given that they are true and equidistant" -- well are they? really? and why is this claim to 'given' equidistance suddenly unimportant?

And how do we get to him being "the most likely suspect" when he can't be placed in the area at the time of the murders? Simply not knowing where he was won't do. Because it proves nothing. Showing that he was in the area a year or a month before or after won't do either, to make such a definitive claim. Saying it's "possible" he was a suspect is about as good as gets, and in the realm of possibility there's a lot of great points for Thompson being one.

But the "most likely"? Not yet. And some of these supportive arguments are circular tripe.

It's also very convenient to nudge Mary Kelly out of the 'pattern' so the other four fit.

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Proof that it was Deeming perhaps.
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Old 03-15-2015, 06:34 AM
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"given that they are true and equidistant" -- well are they? really? and why is this claim to 'given' equidistance suddenly unimportant?
'given that they are true and equidistant.' I never said that they need be true or equidistant to make a Vesica Pisces, only in the symmetrical Figure 8 shape I demonstrate. A general compass point and any distance will still make the Vesica shape with the intersecting directional lines as they cross from one point to the next.
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But it says "given that they are true and equidistant" in really big letters on your diagram?

Is that not correct? Is it not then "given"?

Martha Tabram was also thought to be a Ripper victim in 1888. Was she not one? Does her present popular absence from the canon prove she was not? or does she just not fit the pattern, for some obscure handy reason, like Mary Kelly?
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But it says "given that they are true and equidistant" in really big letters on your diagram?

Is that not correct? Is it not then "given"?

Martha Tabram was also thought to be a Ripper victim in 1888. Was she not one? Does her present popular absence from the canon prove she was not? or does she just not fit the pattern, for some obscure handy reason, like Mary Kelly?
Given when a perfectly proportioned figure 8 figure is achieved when all the points are equidistant and true. In the case of the murders even a disproportionate figure 8 is still a Vesica Pisces. One needs only to draw originating from one precise murder location to another. The transecting lines would still form a Vesica Pisces.
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Given when a perfectly proportioned figure 8 figure is achieved when all the points are equidistant and true. In the case of the murders even a disproportionate figure 8 is still a Vesica Pisces. One needs only to draw originating from one precise murder location to another. The transecting lines would still form a Vesica Pisces.
Or the dagaz rune.

Or a route taken due to police beats.

Or a random path that is easily, if "subtly" able to be shoehorned into a theory.
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Or the dagaz rune.

Or a route taken due to police beats.

Or a random path that is easily, if "subtly" able to be shoehorned into a theory.
Maybey but all still Vesica Pisces, a symbol that was a central motif for Thompson by forming compass direction headings, in the manner espoused as by him.
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I saw some toast once that had the Virgin Mary burnt into it. I see here an arrow, a number 6, or upside down 9. (Ooo mysterious) I'm sorry but if he was trying to leave symbols then I don't see why he wouldn't have carved it or left clear symbols with each of his victims. Then he would have had mini figure 8s inside of the larger figure 8. Infinity inside Infinity.
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I saw some toast once that had the Virgin Mary burnt into it. I see here an arrow, a number 6, or upside down 9. (Ooo mysterious) I'm sorry but if he was trying to leave symbols then I don't see why he wouldn't have carved it or left clear symbols with each of his victims. Then he would have had mini figure 8s inside of the larger figure 8. Infinity inside Infinity.
Perhaps he did. With Catherine Eddowes there was on each side of cheek a cut which peeled up the skin, forming a triangular flap about an inch and a half.
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Perhaps he did. With Catherine Eddowes there was on each side of cheek a cut which peeled up the skin, forming a triangular flap about an inch and a half.
Then that weakens his case as being the ripper and strengthens it for only Eddows. If he is going to put these symbols on one he would do it on all his kills.

My point is not that he isn't a viable suspect. It's that this is a silly angle to take to add strength to him as a suspect. Bring facts and evidence and I can promise you, people will take it far more seriously than this.

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