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No. them saying it was jimmied and it wasn't isnt evidence of no staging. its evidence of lying. nothing else. they screwed up their story-simple as that. they staged an abduction by opening the window.They successfully got rid of the body but then screwed up their story-did they lock the doors?
Mccanns-Yes! no! maybe?oops. was the window jimmied? yes. no? oops.


have you ever heard the saying "Always tell the truth, its the easiest thing to remember."
they couldn't remember their lies. Nor could they anticipate every discrepancy that came up.
Here is why none of that makes sense. They left the patio door unlocked so their friends could also check on the family. They go in and they go out that way. So there is already and entry an exit point and its even unlocked. There is no need for an open window.

What you want me to believe is that despite this simple plan of the unlocked door, that the parents then opened the window and messed up their stories by claiming it had been jimmied while saying nothing about the planned unlocked patio door, because the plan slipped their mind and one them decided an open window is much more convincing on the spot.

Your explanation is not the easiest. It's not the most parsimonious. It is the most complex. It requires in addition to the complexity of getting rid of a body, they try to stage an abduction and then manage to get out of getting caught despite making errors.

The intruder explanation is the easiest. Someone with knowledge of how to make a quick exit, opened the window while in there but never had to use it. You can also hear people coming. It also has precedence at that resort.
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The reason why I don't accept the huge risk explanation for why they didn't jimmie the window is because this is nothing compared to the really huge risk of hiding and disposing a body. On the one hand they can make a small human being completely vanish but can't even jimmie a window? Therein is where the staging hypothesis makes no sense at all. One moment they are Mr. Wolf from Pulp Fiction. The next they are Forrest Gump.
It all depends on how long before the alarm was raised that this small human being could have vanished. If the last 100% verifiable sighting of her could have been even 24 hours previously, and nobody outside the family had any reason to think she was not somewhere in the resort enjoying her holiday, there would have been more than enough time to get her well away from the apartment before setting up the sudden 'discovery' of her absence.

The fact is, whoever took this small human being from the apartment, and whenever they did so, took the same risk of having to hide or dispose of her body, or the even bigger risk of taking her somewhere alive, never to be found or identified as the missing girl.

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As for why was the window open. One explanation is for a quicker exit. If someone comes in, its a quick way to get out. In fact that's exactly what happened in the apartment above when a stranger was found in there. They leaped from the window to get away.
The evidence for this stranger being disturbed and leaping from the window is shaky to say the least. The window in question was high enough to have caused injury to anyone leaving that way, and there were serious question marks over the reliability of the witness. The window in the McCanns apartment did not lend itself to a grown human being entering or leaving that way, never mind with a small, presumably sleeping human being in their arms.

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If you KNEW the following three things..

1. You had three sleeping children within your apartment

2. No adults were with the children whilst they slept.

3. One of your children was prone to waking up during the night and calling for her mother.

Would you leave your door unlocked?

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And in light of the above, if you came back from your drinking and carousing session with your friends and found one of your children missing - SURELY you would naturally presume that she had woken (as she had the previous night) and gone wandering off outside looking for her parents?

I mean - come on - that would be the natural assumption wouldn't it?

How many parents would go straight to the window and scream over the balcony "SHE'S BEEN TAKEN!"?

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Lurker standing watching apartment. http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/MARGARET_HALL.htm -

Both burglaries - one in the apartment directly above the McCann's flat -

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...#ixzz4Y0L8cXPo

In 2008, when the Portuguese police officially stopped pursuing the case, their files revealed that in the three years preceding Madeleineís disappearance, three intruders had been disturbed in childrenís bedrooms within an hourís drive of Praia de Luz and five children had been abused in their beds while on holiday in the Algarve. Evidence had not been collected, let alone collated or publicised. - http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/news...lieve-her.html

I don't see how people can accept witnesses living above/nearby heard Maddie crying but don't accept them when it comes to the area being high in criminal activity associated with people watching/entering holiday homes.
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I wasn't suggesting Calpol. Both the McCanns were GPs and would have known about ALL drugs and probably never had to buy over-the counter medicines. You can mix and match sleeping drugs if you know what you're doing and have access to the ones you require.

The McCanns may have been smug enough to do this. Maybe one of their other doctor friends gave them some pointers on what to use as he had success in sedating his own children with it? Just a thought.
I think I'm right in saying that their doctor friends wouldn't have needed to sedate their kids because they sensibly took advantage of the resort's baby monitoring services. Only the McCanns decided not to do so, and it's very hard to understand why, unless Maddie was such a difficult child that she would have played up, or unless she was already gone and the damage limitation process was underway. The McCanns also had lunch in their own apartment after the first day, while their friends met up for lunch together each day with all their children in another apartment.

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They left the patio door unlocked so their friends could also check on the family. They go in and they go out that way. So there is already and entry an exit point and its even unlocked. There is no need for an open window.
Except that there is no evidence that the friends went far enough into the apartment or the children's bedroom to see that all three were there, safe and sound. Nobody was actually expecting a child to disappear. It was more a case of listening out for any sounds of crying, like the chalet maids used to do at Pontin's when I was a child. "Baby crying in chalet 13", for example, chalked on a blackboard in the ballroom.

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Which is what? Somebody in the resort walks to the door every so often and listens for any noise? If there is some they call the parents. If not, they walk away. That's it, right?
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I don't see how people can accept witnesses living above/nearby heard Maddie crying but don't accept them when it comes to the area being high in criminal activity associated with people watching/entering holiday homes.
I don't accept that anyone could have claimed to hear Maddie crying. If they heard anyone crying it could just as well have been one of the twins. I don't think anyone reported hearing more than one child's cries, which was what Kate tried to imply Maddie had told her: "Why didn't you come when 'we' were crying?" (or something like that?)

It's all rather hard to believe. If the place was such a known hotbed for intruders, how was this kept such a secret from the McCanns et al? Why didn't any of the neighbouring residents warn these young families of the obvious dangers of leaving their small children alone for a second?

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Which is what? Somebody in the resort walks to the door every so often and listens for any noise? If there is some they call the parents. If not, they walk away. That's it, right?
So what are you saying? The friends who took advantage of this service could still have sedated their kids?

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It's all rather hard to believe. If the place was such a known hotbed for intruders, how was this kept such a secret from the McCanns et al? Why didn't any of the neighbouring residents warn these young families of the obvious dangers of leaving their small children alone for a second?

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