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Old 12-07-2018, 07:45 AM
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Of course, at the time the patient MAN was admitted to the London Hospital (Whitechapel) Polly had relocated south of the river, where she stayed for most of the remainder of her life. Wouldn't she have been admitted into a south London Hospital, such as Guys, from there?

And she would have been pregnant in December, 1867, but there's no mention of that in the notes.

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Also, wasn't Eddowes in the Midlands in 1867?
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Also, wasn't Eddowes in the Midlands in 1867?
Debs discovered a Catholic baptism for Thomas Conway Jr in Horsferry Road, Westminster on 22nd, December, 1867. He had been born on 8th December and the family address was New Peter Street, Westminster.
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Yes, there’s no real reason to assume that MAN or Cath C are Nichols and Eddowes, nor to assume there’s any significance to it if they are - but of course it would interesting to know

Doesn’t seem very likely, though, the ages are off and the names very common.
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Of course, at the time the patient MAN was admitted to the London Hospital (Whitechapel) Polly had relocated south of the river, where she stayed for most of the remainder of her life. Wouldn't she have been admitted into a south London Hospital, such as Guys, from there?

And she would have been pregnant in December, 1867, but there's no mention of that in the notes.
Can only comment on Melbourne,Sydney and Brisbane hospitals.
Was a fund raiser for one of Melbourne's largest inner city hospitals.

My father died of rheumatic fever complications in Melbourne,1962.
He was not hospitalised at the nearest major hospital.
He went in where there was room.

I have had a related strep disease for 38 years which is supposed to be handled by our hospital system.
And pigs fly.

Polly was almost certainly pregnant and living in either Camberwell or Walworth,Southwark.
Percy George was baptised on 9 August 1868.

Why would MAN's pregnancy be listed in a study of Rheumatic Fever?

Thanks for clearing up Sam's query for me
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My father died of rheumatic fever complications in Melbourne,1962.
He was not hospitalised at the nearest major hospital.
He went in where there was room.
In this instance, though, isn't it a case of two women who lived elsewhere in London being treated in an East End hospital?

I'm basing that on Gary's helpful info about Eddowes living in Westminster in 1867. Thanks, Gary... and Debs.
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Yes, there’s no real reason to assume that MAN or Cath C are Nichols and Eddowes, nor to assume there’s any significance to it if they are - but of course it would interesting to know

Doesn’t seem very likely, though, the ages are off and the names very common.
Sutton had a recurring problem with maths.
It is why most people have his age wrong.

Both women had a strep infection that resides in the intestines,which is known to travel to the kidneys.

Odd that two similar women resided next to each other before their murders.

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Gull and Sutton point out that Dr. Bright and others have fully recognised that the granular contracted kidney is usually associated with morbid changes in other organs of the body and that these co-existent changes were commonly grouped together and termed "chronic Bright's disease." The prevailing opinion at the time was that the kidney was the organ primarily affected, inducing a condition that would spread to other parts of the body and thereby cause other organs to suffer.

Gull and Sutton argued that this assumption was incorrect. They presented evidence to show that the diseased state could also originate in other organs, and that the deterioration of the kidney is part of the general morbid change, rather than the primary cause. In some cases examined by Gull and Sutton, the kidney was only marginally affected while the condition was far more advanced in other organs.
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In this instance, though, isn't it a case of two women who lived elsewhere in London being treated in an East End hospital?

I'm basing that on Gary's helpful info about Eddowes living in Westminster in 1867. Thanks, Gary... and Debs.
They would have been admitted where there was room for them,preferably with some relative peace and quiet.

Still happens today in Melbourne,Sydney and Brisbane.
Lost my sister-in-law in September 2012 in Sydney and my brother on 28 June this year in Brisbane.
Both had to travel from one side of town to the other.

A significant part of my early research centered on Guy's Hospital.
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Gull and Sutton point out that Dr. Bright and others have fully recognised that the granular contracted kidney is usually associated with morbid changes in other organs of the body and that these co-existent changes were commonly grouped together and termed "chronic Bright's disease." The prevailing opinion at the time was that the kidney was the organ primarily affected, inducing a condition that would spread to other parts of the body and thereby cause other organs to suffer.
You do realize that many of JtR's victims had their internal organs slashed, including kidney piercing, which, has no known medical value at all.
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You do realize that many of JtR's victims had their internal organs slashed, including kidney piercing, which, has no known medical value at all.
You have a very fertile mind.

OK,so which of the CV5?
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