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At times JtR witnesses described seeing someone walk briskly with a military type look.
Did they? Lawende described a suspect as having the appearance of a sailor, but sailors aren't soldiers, and this one wasn't walking. Offhand, I can't recall anyone describing a suspect as walking briskly.
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A Man "walked very sharp" according to Hutchinson who had a military bearing.
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A Man "walked very sharp" according to Hutchinson who had a military bearing.
That's mixing up a suspect and a witness. Or two separate suspects, if you prefer.

Nobody described a single suspect of walking briskly AND having a military appearance. Most suspects were, in fact, standing still when they were seen as far as I can remember.
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Are you familiar with Batman's form!

Quite sure I've, um ...... interpreted his, um ..... "statement".
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hi harry
did you forget to add the winky thing? or are you serious with this?
of course I'm serious, Abby.

anderson was right about a jew, even if for the wrong reasons.

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also, I thought you were a Bury man-not a jew.
not a fan of bury these days.

think he was someone with the ripper in the back of his mind.
much like jane beatmore's killer.
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leviticus 9:20 and placed these on the breasts. Aaron burned the fat portions on the altar,
but he waved the breasts and the right thigh as a wave offering before the LORD


mary kelly's breasts were cut off and placed about her, while her right-thigh was hacked to the bone.

it's often asked why the killer targeted the kidney in eddowes' murder. quite a random organ to target and not the easiest to extract.
leviticus 3:4 holds the answer
Plenty of Gentiles were familiar with the Bible, why only a Jew?
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Plenty of Gentiles were familiar with the Bible, why only a Jew?
observance of the torah is more of a jewish thing, no?
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observance of the torah is more of a jewish thing, no?
We don't know if it constitutes observance, it's just the Pentateuch to a Christian.
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Abby is incorrect on one thing, at least.
The killer was not a gentile, he was almost certainly a jew.
Read leviticus and you will see.

leviticus 9:20 and placed these on the breasts. Aaron burned the fat portions on the altar,
but he waved the breasts and the right thigh as a wave offering before the LORD


mary kelly's breasts were cut off and placed about her, while her right-thigh was hacked to the bone.

it's often asked why the killer targeted the kidney in eddowes' murder. quite a random organ to target and not the easiest to extract.
leviticus 3:4 holds the answer
Sorry, but I don't think Leviticus "holds the answer", unless you are looking for a way to support a theory. Somebody who thinks in terms of the bible will see the bible. Somebody who thinks in terms of butchery manuals will ask if the bodies were bled to make black pudding.


Blind speculation is not an answer.


For all we know, the killer could just like to bleed his victims, and could just find that particular squidgy organ interesting because not despite it being awkward to get to.


Even if we could show a link between the killing methods and Leviticus, that was somehow compelling, it would be a further leap of faith to suggest this meant the killer was driven by a Jewish faith. We know Leviticus is common to the Christian bible as well, and indeed, it is still a touchstone of many unpleasant interpretations of the Christian faith, used to justify several kinds of hatred and bigotry. You offer no compelling reason to suggest why taking a common text terribly literally would be exclusive to a suspect of the Jewish faith, and not a fire and brimstone Christian?
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Old 12-10-2018, 04:18 AM
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the kidney is mentioned numerous times as a sacrificial offering in the pentateuch.

the kidney is a random organ to target. not the easiest to find or extract, which would rule out a snatch n' grab.

he obviously felt it held special value. the only ritualistic significance of the kidney can be found in the jewish bible. for christians, jesus WAS the final sacrifice. however, for a deranged jew looking to atone for his sins, this would be rejected in favour of ritual sacrifice.

leviticus also cites the removal of the breasts and right thigh as an offering. same thing happened to mary kelly.

the ripper was a jew.
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