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Old 11-17-2018, 09:55 AM
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The reason I brought up Crow was to illustrate a comparative model to Cross. In the end, Crow is just another casual witness to JtR's crimes and if investigators are to be given a smidgen of our benefit of the doubt that they have set of brains, then they would have checked the claim Crow made that this particular spot is too dark to see details with someone lying there.

If not journalists looking to poke holes in a story.
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Old 11-17-2018, 11:18 AM
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This "route to work" and "lives in the district "argument is/are not really good.If Lechmere walked to work 5 days a week or more through the district,that's about 20 days a month and he found victims only at the end of the month and 8-9 - August 31,September 8,September 30,November 8-9 (8 if Blotchy,which to me was).The odds are about 30-2 or about 20-2 (minus weekends).I do not believe it,everyday there must have been streetwalkers..Stride,Eddowes.Cox and Kelly did not "care" there was a killer roaming about.It's overwhelming the killer was a visitor to the district,comes at the end of the month until or and at about the end of first week 8-9,leaves the district and comes back again at the end of the month.It left most undercover cops/most patrols/dossers/rumors/house-to-house search negligible.Tabram at 7 of August could have been a victim.

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...or perhaps a likelier answer is that the murder overlapped with the route of a random carman. Sorry, two random carmen.



Is pettifogging the usual practice for Lechmere apologia?



I'm willing to bet any number of those fellas had troubled upbringings, absent parents, diagnosed/undiagnosed mental problems, etc. We know this already from the small pool of suspects/witnesses etc. available to us.
pettifogging LOL great word. now stop being such a nocfollius tumbletwat.
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I do not believe it,everyday there must have been streetwalkers..Stride,Eddowes.Cox and Kelly did not "care" there was a killer roaming about.It's overwhelming the killer was a visitor to the district,comes at the end of the month until or and at about the end of first week 8-9,leaves the district and comes back again at the end of the month.
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I am not sure it is fair to say the victims did not care there was a murderer about - though the use of quotes maybe suggests you think they were forced onto the streets regardless. My own theory is that the murderer was a regular user of prostitutes or someone well known in the area. Someone who the women trusted, or at least did not fear.
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I am not sure it is fair to say the victims did not care there was a murderer about - though the use of quotes maybe suggests you think they were forced onto the streets regardless. My own theory is that the murderer was a regular user of prostitutes or someone well known in the area. Someone who the women trusted, or at least did not fear.
I find it almost baffling that neither investigators nor the press, actually suggested that JtR was probably one of their clients, until after Mary Jane Kelly.

There were street gangs blamed.
There were soldiers blamed.
There was the killer butcher Jew, Leather Apron, Pizer, blamed.
Then was Dr. Jack the Ripper after Philips and the black bag man witnessed around Berner St.
Then horse-slaughter after Bond did the meta-analysis of the cases.

Finally Bond comes up with this profile and idea that JtR would probably seem quite normal and even friendly with the women he intended to hurt.

Also, it looked like MJK had taken a client back to her accommodation with her. So they figured out JtR probably wasn't looking like a ghoul.

I accept the press did indicate the women were taking these men to their own unforeseen doom, but did they really suggest it was a client they knew well? I think not.
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pettifogging LOL great word. now stop being such a nocfollius tumbletwat.
lol!

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I find it almost baffling that neither investigators nor the press, actually suggested that JtR was probably one of their clients, until after Mary Jane Kelly.

There were street gangs blamed.
There were soldiers blamed.
There was the killer butcher Jew, Leather Apron, Pizer, blamed.
Then was Dr. Jack the Ripper after Philips and the black bag man witnessed around Berner St.
Then horse-slaughter after Bond did the meta-analysis of the cases.

Finally Bond comes up with this profile and idea that JtR would probably seem quite normal and even friendly with the women he intended to hurt.

Also, it looked like MJK had taken a client back to her accommodation with her. So they figured out JtR probably wasn't looking like a ghoul.

I accept the press did indicate the women were taking these men to their own unforeseen doom, but did they really suggest it was a client they knew well? I think not.
The soldiers in question were supposedly clients.

Can you explain your point about horse slaughterers? That’s an aspect of the case that I’m particularly interested in.
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The soldiers in question were supposedly clients.

Can you explain your point about horse slaughterers? That’s an aspect of the case that I’m particularly interested in.
It is Bond dashing the idea that JtR was a medical person or showed any signs of medical experience. He said a horse slaughter could do it. I don't think he meant a horse slaughter was JtR but that JtR didn't need any medical experience to do what he did.
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It is Bond dashing the idea that JtR was a medical person or showed any signs of medical experience. He said a horse slaughter could do it. I don't think he meant a horse slaughter was JtR but that JtR didn't need any medical experience to do what he did.
I thought Bond’s opinion was that the killer didn’t even possess the technical knowledge of a horse slaughterer or a butcher.
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now stop being such a nocfollius tumbletwat.
Tumbletwat... the most incompetent Ripper suspect of them all.
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