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There was always a shortage of organs for research especially specific female organs.
Is there any evidence of the scale of this shortage, Trevor?
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No there is not, however it should be noted that The Anatomy Act was passed following Burke and Hares exploits where not only organs but bodies were taken and used for medical research because they were in short supply for teaching purposes.

That demand still existed thereafter and that is why the Anatomy Act was passed, which allowed not only organs to be freely and lawfully obtained but in some case whole bodies.

And as stated the female reproductive organ was one organ which would have been in short supply and in great demand, simply because only females have that specific organ and it would have been an organ which would have been very useful for teaching purposes,

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By 1888 students of medicine had access to tissue and organs.

What that act effectively meant was that a lot of poor people and people who were without families, such as homeless, were used a lot more for medical scientific research, legally. Over the years various groups petitioned against it for reasons such as these, however, in the end, it seems enough people donate their bodies to science, but between legally being able to use a homeless person's dead body and those who gave their bodies to research, 1888 medical students did not have a shortage of organs and tissue to work on.
But isn't it true that you had to be a member of the medical fraternity to obtain the organs?
How would a surgeon who had been struck off, or an aspiring student who failed the grade, how would they get hold of any organs?
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Were the organs donated free of charge? If not, they had some monetary value.
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One member several years ago posted a price list from some medical source for a variety of organs. I remember talking with Ivor Edwards about it, if anyone remembers who that was.
It seemed clear that you had to be a member of the medical society to obtain those organs, yet some on Casebook were talking about how available organs were. They may have been available, but not to the general public.
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Unclaimed corpses were free.

Also relatives could donate corpses in exchange for burial afterwards.

London Hospital had one of the biggest collections of organs in the world.
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One member several years ago posted a price list from some medical source for a variety of organs. I remember talking with Ivor Edwards about it, if anyone remembers who that was.
Ivor wrote a book claiming one of Jack the Ripper's inpatients,"Donston",was JtR.

Nichols and Eddowes/Conway were also his inpatients together in 1867.
Notice how Eddowes was tending her sister in Thrawl Street near where Nichols was residing for a short time.
Nichols moved next door to Eddowes just before the hopping season.
Eddowes returned for a reward .....

Same guy was Vestry Medical Officer at young Mary Ann Kelly's church.

Expertise extended to TB and hereditary hemorrhagic telangiectasia.
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And as stated the female reproductive organ was one organ which would have been in short supply and in great demand
I'm not sure it would, though.
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I fully agree that we can only work with the times we are left with and fully accept that we do not know if all the time pieces referred to were in sync.

However we have nothing to prove any of them were not and so we are left with them to use with any calculation we choose to make. They were stated in inquest testimony, and in my current calculations I have allowed for time discrepancies and still arrive at times which in my opinion as good as dam suggest that the killer could have not had time to do all that he is purported to have done.

But it’s nice to see you see some merit in the results

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My current view, and it applies to all times in all murders in 1888, is that they should be treated as guides at best. To use the times, as many do, and that is not aimed at you, as set in stone, as absolute times, is in my opinion utterly unrealistic.



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One member several years ago posted a price list from some medical source for a variety of organs. I remember talking with Ivor Edwards about it, if anyone remembers who that was.
It seemed clear that you had to be a member of the medical society to obtain those organs, yet some on Casebook were talking about how available organs were. They may have been available, but not to the general public.
Sure, not the general public, but how would a thief even begin to sell organs on the black market if they were robbing them from the morgue?
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