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The one problem with the book is that where he measured and pin pointed where Kelly was murdered, he was using the older and incorrect location of the multi story car park ramp.

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How much did this err from the real site?
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Old 10-23-2018, 05:47 AM
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Also, this would only mess up one of several measurements. Can we confirm that Kelly's murder site isn't where Edwards thought it was?
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Also, this would only mess up one of several measurements. Can we confirm that Kelly's murder site isn't where Edwards thought it was?
As I remember it, the actual murder site was further up on the opposite side of the road where the warehouse type building was ( now gone I believe )
As for distance, I couldn't really say, but guessing about 30/50 yards.
But I stand to be corrected on that.
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[quote=albie;458153]Well, we don't know how sloppy or accurate he was. But here's the results of his measurements.

The distance from site 1 to site 2 was 930 yards
The distance from site 2 to site 4 was 930 yards
The distance from site 3 to site 4 was 950 yards
The distance from site 3 to site 5 was 950 yards
These are the measurements found using a map. Ivor Edwards also confirmed the distance with a surveyor's wheel.
Also "Compass bearings were taken in the field it was found that sites 1,2,3,4 were located due east, south, north and west."

If true then this proves that the attacks were not just by some random maniac. if anyone has a map of the murder area and can disprove Ivor Edward's findings that would be good.[/QUOTE


Here are the real distances.from the 93-95 OS and distance talk at the National Library of Scotland.

First coloumn Crow flies(going through buildings.)

Second coloumn by road.

site 1 to 2 888yards 980yards

site 2 to 4 917yards 1192 yards

ste 3 to 4 946 yards 1165 yards

site 3 to 5 952 yards 1129 yards


So we have 2 as the crow flies which are close by . similarly 2 to 4 is reasonably close but 1 to 2 is 50 yards out.

And if using the routes that were actually availble the difference are very large.


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Hmmm. Thanks for that.

So you cannot get any more accurate? Not sure what your figures mean. Are you saying, for instance, that site 1 to 2 is BETWEEN 888 yards and 980 yards?

That seems pretty variable.
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This reminds me of the moon phase argument, and is just as likely. Or rather unlikely.
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Here are the real distances.from the 93-95 OS and distance talk at the National Library of Scotland.

First coloumn Crow flies (going through buildings.) Second coloumn by road.

site 1 to 2 888yards 980yards
site 2 to 4 917yards 1192 yards
site 3 to 4 946 yards 1165 yards
site 3 to 5 952 yards 1129 yards
Whether we go by crow or by road, there certainly aren't the neat matches that Ivor Edwards claimed to have found. Nice work, Steve.
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Hmmm. Thanks for that.

So you cannot get any more accurate? Not sure what your figures mean. Are you saying, for instance, that site 1 to 2 is BETWEEN 888 yards and 980 yards?

That seems pretty variable.
Sorry if its unclear,

The first figures are as the crow flies, thats direct, stright line A-B, it ignores what is inbetween, such as houses, so its the geographical distance. what you get if you just draw a stright line on a map.

but of course thats not how one travels.

The second set are if you travel between the two points using the availble routes suchs as roads and passages.


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Sorry if its unclear,

The first figures are as the crow flies, thats direct, stright line A-B, it ignores what is inbetween, such as houses, so its the geographical distance. what you get if you just draw a stright line on a map.

but of course thats not how one travels.

The second set are if you travel between the two points using the availble routes suchs as roads and passages.


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Are those figures accurate, because if so, that is one bizarre coincidence. The only outlier is 3 to 5, but then you have used 3 as a starting point twice. I think it is worth measuring the full set to see if the other distances fit the pattern. I'm not convinced this has anything to do with magic or ritual, but if the pattern holds it will need some explanation.
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Are those figures accurate, because if so, that is one bizarre coincidence. The only outlier is 3 to 5, but then you have used 3 as a starting point twice. I think it is worth measuring the full set to see if the other distances fit the pattern. I'm not convinced this has anything to do with magic or ritual, but if the pattern holds it will need some explanation.
I disagree,
i do not know if the book gives the distance as the crow flies or by road.

the figures i have given for routes that were posted earlier in the thread.

if it as the crow flies then two, 3-4 & 3-5 are close to the claim of 950 yards, one is along way off 880 as opposed to the claimed 930, the other is some 17 yards out, if theseclaims are accurate, that is simply not good enough.

however if the distance is by road, then nothing is with 50 yards of the claims.


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