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Old 10-21-2018, 01:25 PM
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Given a broken piece of mirror and sewing thread were considered prized items in Whitechapel among the unfortunates, owning one rough, badly frayed, seriously overtightened, garter piece was probably a valuable piece of fashion and owning two would have seen you thrown out of town for dressing like a snob.
You think ?
Have you not spotted the toenails yet ?
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You think ?
Have you not spotted the toenails yet ?
More than think, it is reading about the historical Whitechapel life of unfortunates tells us these things.

As for toes... oh the wealth!

MJK was maybe a tad better off than the other JtR victims, but that doesn't say much as we are looking at individuals who are borderline destitute. "Homeless" females on the streets being picked off by a serial offender. MJK had trouble paying rent. Several weeks in arrears.
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To believe it's a garter you have to believe it to be a rough, badly frayed, seriously overtightened (as the more you zoom you will see a clear indentation ) of string and not a garter as such
Indeed. A piece of string or bootlace could be used as an improvised "garter" to hold a stocking in place, in much the same way as tramps sometimes use a piece of rope or an old necktie in lieu of a belt, to hold their trousers up.
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I believe the "garter piece" could also be the rolled up top of a stocking, the elastic portion.

I think that the smudged bloody finger impressions are probably from when he positioned her legs, not from holding them while cutting.
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If bloody fingerprints were on the body, they would have been mentioned in the police and doctor's reports.
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If bloody fingerprints were on the body, they would have been mentioned in the police and doctor's reports.
Even if fingerprinting as a means of identification was not used in 1888?
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Yes, it would still have been reported.
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If bloody fingerprints were on the body, they would have been mentioned in the police and doctor's reports.
Would three or four small blood smears on a woman's stocking have made the cut, so to speak?
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Indeed. A piece of string or bootlace could be used as an improvised "garter" to hold a stocking in place, in much the same way as tramps sometimes use a piece of rope or an old necktie in lieu of a belt, to hold their trousers up.
None of the women killed were dressed in rags.
They had clothes.
Skirts , boddice etc ..... yes , worn maybe but they still took pride in their appearance as shown by the folded clothes in 13 Miller's court .
The clean clothes left behind .
They were in no way comparable to tramps .
If there was one garter , there would have been two.
It would be a major presumption to believe it to be one with nothing to back it up
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More than think, it is reading about the historical Whitechapel life of unfortunates tells us these things.

As for toes... oh the wealth!

MJK was maybe a tad better off than the other JtR victims, but that doesn't say much as we are looking at individuals who are borderline destitute. "Homeless" females on the streets being picked off by a serial offender. MJK had trouble paying rent. Several weeks in arrears.
So you believe she could only afford one piece of frayed string despite the nail polish ?
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