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Old 10-22-2018, 12:21 AM
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I fhink this is a fair assessment, although Canter pointed out that around 75% of serial sexual murder victims are posed and overkill occurs in 70% of cases.

Regarding whether the murder was less savsge. Tabram waa subjected to what appeared to be a frenzied, and possibly prolonged, knife attack. Contrastingly, the other victims may have been taken by surprise and killed quickly, with the abdominal injuries inflicted post mortem.
Very true, John - in the other cases, a quick death seems to have been high up in the agenda, whereas Killeen asserted that Tabram lived through her whole ordeal, up to the chest penetrating stab. That is an important difference, but what we must also take into account here is that there were signs of blunt force trauma to the head of Tabram, and so we may have a scenario where she was unconscious as the killer stabbed away. And if a prone body was all he was after, then he may have made do with a blow to the head to ensure it, and only moved on afterwards to the neck cutting business.
There are two thing to note in this context:

1. Llewellyn said that the abdominal wounds came first in the Nichols case. So it would seem that she may be part of a development that reached it´s form only in Hanbury Street. After that, the killer had shaped his MO for the outdoor killings.
2. The 1874 torso victim ALSO had received blows to the head, and so we may be looking at a logical development overall.
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A murder victim with a blow to the head? Whatever next?
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A murder victim with a blow to the head? Whatever next?
Playing the clown, are we? If we have two murder victims that have been badly cut up, then a similarity in having received blows to their heads becomes of very great importance.

Having Gareth denying obvious connections? Whatever next?
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Playing the clown, are we? If we have two murder victims that have been badly cut up...
Not playing the clown, just pointing out that blunt head trauma is rather common in cases of murder, or manslaughter for that matter. Although, oddly enough, it isn't a feature of the unequivocal Ripper murders.

In the specific case of Tabram, she was killed on some stone stairs, so it's likely that her killer took advantage of this and banged her head against them, rather than hitting her deliberately with a blunt instrument. It's also possible that her head was damaged as a by-product of falling or being thrown to the floor. We cannot necessarily read this as a signature on her killer's behalf.
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Not playing the clown, just pointing out that blunt head trauma is rather common in cases of murder, or manslaughter for that matter. Although, oddly enough, it isn't a feature of the unequivocal Ripper murders.

In the specific case of Tabram, she was killed on some stone stairs, so it's likely that her killer took advantage of this and banged her head against them, rather than hitting her deliberately with a blunt instrument. It's also possible that her head was damaged as a by-product of falling or being thrown to the floor. We cannot necessarily read this as a signature on her killer's behalf.
Sam, what Whitechapel murders are connected to the work of the same hand in your opinion?
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A prostitute with her skirt up? Whatever next?
yes one lying on the ground that had been stabbed to death, just like the others.
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Coincidence
LOL. yes the minimalists thrive on it.
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yes one lying on the ground that had been stabbed to death, just like the others.
None of the others were stabbed to death.
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I am not comparing cuts to stabs here, Gareth - I am saying that in both cases, the killer targetted the private parts and attacked them with his knife. That looks much like a signature element to me.
sure is fish. with the skirt raised also showing an interest in that area.
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None of the others were stabbed to death.
sorry, killed with a knife.
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