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Old 10-21-2018, 06:18 AM
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In fairness, Gareth, it's not beyond the realms of possibility that Griffiths had come across a few examples of criminals staying put at a crime scene and trying to blag there way out of the situation.

I believed Abby Normal posted an example from his own experience. I have one too (which I won't bore you with). Running away isn't a given. One doesn't need to be any kind of an expert to hold that opinion. And when it comes from a man with years (decades?) of experience of the behaviour of criminals it carries more weight than it would coming from Abbey or me.
Wow, Gary - someone is THINKING here! But you know, "fairness" is not the number one remedy against the Lechmere ailment.
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Old 10-21-2018, 06:21 AM
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Legging it in front of a police officer probably won't be the smartest thing to do, but Paul isn't a police officer. So I am thinking the 'not legging it' has probably more to do with being seen by police than hanging around to chat with the next passerby who is 40 yards away in the dark.
The streets were all patrolled by PC:s, Batman. Any person aquainted with that knowledge would do well not to use these streets as racing courses. And as I said, picking up Paul and walking with him would be a stroke of genius if Lechmere was the killer. Try to look at it from that angle, and you may see how it works.
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Old 10-21-2018, 06:25 AM
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I do see Fish.

Perhaps strange then, that as a former serving detective, you don’t favour Trevor’s opinions over your own,
I fear none of his former colleagues would either. And I know that he disagrees with Griffiths on the running matter. So he is well and truly screwed on that one since Griffiths is much his senior.

But we can all go on like this and have our little fun - "how can you tell us to listen to ONE policeman when you donīt listen to another yourself?"

It is not really ingenious, is it, Herlock? Itīs more like trolling. And you once again forget that I am not saying that Griffiths MUST be right. I am saying that it MUST be wrong to claim that he MUST have run.

Hope you followed that.
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Old 10-21-2018, 06:30 AM
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Please read what is written, "in my suggestion". Which is what we are talking about, my suggestion, backed by evidence.
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Indeed it did, but it did not iclude the tale of being wanted by another police officer




To say it turned him into a liar, almost portrays him as being someone who never told an untruth, he needed to be "turned..... into a liar".





Not knowing the argument, it is presumptive to suggest he would not tell an untruth, one which would have no actual bearing on the business of the inquest.



No lets not.
Both Carmen say they spoke to Mizen, and as you rightly pointed out above Paul's Lloyds Statement "includes a lot of the things that Mizen said, letīs not deny that". That suggests his within "earshot".
It really is bedtime for this particular flight of fancy.





It means to give attention to the first point, how funny you are!



Somethings are more intersting than others, not to ask a question to resolve an earlier unresolved issue requires a reason for that non question.

The reason may be simply: the issue is not important to the business of the Inquest, or it may be more complicted. All possibilities need to be considered and assessed.




Indeed the Possible truth does appear to have been overlooked, but maybe not as you beleive.
Maybe it is explosive, maybe its not.
Who is to say? Who is correct? Certainly not you or I.






The evidence is there, you may not agree with it.
However there is far more evidence to support the version I propose than the account given at the inquest on the 3rd by Jonas Mizen.



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You are welcome to present your evidence at any given time. Until that, what I say stands very firmly.

And probably afterwards too.

PS. You cannot put the idea of Paul being out of earshot to bed, Steve. You can put many a ripperologist to sleep, Iīm sure, but thatīs another matter.

Right now, you are only rehashing old material and convictions, and since there is nothing supporting it, we may give it a rest, methinks.
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You are welcome to present your evidence at any given time. Until that, what I say stands very firmly.

And probably afterwards too.

PS. You cannot put the idea of Paul being out of earshot to bed, Steve. You can put many a ripperologist to sleep, Iīm sure, but thatīs another matter.

Right now, you are only rehashing old material and convictions, and since there is nothing supporting it, we may give it a rest, methinks.
It is WE rehashing old material and convictions.

What any of us say does not simply stand without evidence, that applies to all of us
I fully agree with you last comment, until the arguments are fully presented, it is not possible to debate them.


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It is WE rehashing old material and convictions.

What any of us say does not simply stand without evidence, that applies to all of us
I fully agree with you last comment, until the arguments are fully presented, it is not possible to debate them.


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Well, us rehashing old material does not in any way preclude you doing so, does it?

I have another idea for a thread where we could bite into something fresh while the world awaits your revelations about Mizen. I think I will call the thread Lech versus Koz. It would be interesting to have your view on a little something I have been thinking about lately.
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Well, us rehashing old material does not in any way preclude you doing so, does it?

I have another idea for a thread where we could bite into something fresh while the world awaits your revelations about Mizen. I think I will call the thread Lech versus Koz. It would be interesting to have your view on a little something I have been thinking about lately.
Lechminski?

I am game,

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Old 10-21-2018, 08:15 AM
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I fear none of his former colleagues would either. And I know that he disagrees with Griffiths on the running matter. So he is well and truly screwed on that one since Griffiths is much his senior.

But we can all go on like this and have our little fun - "how can you tell us to listen to ONE policeman when you donīt listen to another yourself?"

It is not really ingenious, is it, Herlock? Itīs more like trolling. And you once again forget that I am not saying that Griffiths MUST be right. I am saying that it MUST be wrong to claim that he MUST have run.

Hope you followed that.
Of course I follwed it Fish.

If Lechmere cannot be categorically exonerated then he’s a suspect.

If something’s not impossible....then it’s possible.

Pretty much sums up the case against Lechmere
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In fairness, Gareth, it's not beyond the realms of possibility that Griffiths had come across a few examples of criminals staying put at a crime scene and trying to blag there way out of the situation.

I believed Abby Normal posted an example from his own experience. I have one too (which I won't bore you with). Running away isn't a given. One doesn't need to be any kind of an expert to hold that opinion. And when it comes from a man with years (decades?) of experience of the behaviour of criminals it carries more weight than it would coming from Abbey or me.
Yes. Something very similar. Its partly why im rather sympathetic to lech.
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The streets were all patrolled by PC:s, Batman. Any person aquainted with that knowledge would do well not to use these streets as racing courses. And as I said, picking up Paul and walking with him would be a stroke of genius if Lechmere was the killer. Try to look at it from that angle, and you may see how it works.
Maybe someone would do that when all hope is lost to make a quick exit, but in this instance, Lechmere had all the time in the world to leave and Paul would take somewhere between 30 seconds and a minute to arrive. Not to mention Paul didn't want to be a budding alibi at the start and took some persuading.
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