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Old 10-21-2018, 12:06 AM
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Have you read the Bank Holiday murders by Wescott?

Smith certainly could very well be a JtR victim. There are tons of lies surrounding these two murders. Much more than the others.
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Have you read the Bank Holiday murders by Wescott?

Smith certainly could very well be a JtR victim. There are tons of lies surrounding these two murders. Much more than the others.
Yes, I have read Tom's excellent book, and I agree that Smith is a possible candidate. However, there are also significant arguments against her candidature.
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Yes, I have read Tom's excellent book, and I agree that Smith is a possible candidate. However, there are also significant arguments against her candidature.
Linking Emma Smith to the C5 isn't easy to do. However, linking Smith to Tabram is easier to do and it seems Tom Wescott is giving us a reason for the single strange wound on Tabram being struck through the heart (can't remember if it pierced or not, but that's obviously the intention) with a large bladed instrument to make sure she was dead and the job finished, as Smith had survived her attack.
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He was living there on the 10 November, so there is at least a possibility that he was living there during the terrors, as opposed to living elsewhere.
Well, since I believe that Hutchinson sits in the Victoria Home speaking of the place where he usually crashes, that pretty much means that that place was NOT the Victoria Home. Itīs a point made originally by Wickerman, and a very good one in my eyes.
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But where's the proof that all of the victims were prostitute? And if they were, that they were soliciting on the night they were murdered?
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There doesnt have to be proof !

The proven facts are that all the victims were lone females, who were accosted by a killer or killers in the street, in the dead of night, with the exception of Kelly and then murdered, whether they were prostituting themselves in academic in the grand scheme of things.

However, from what we know of the victims, and their status at the time they were murdered, a strong inference must be drawn which suggests they were prostituting themselves.

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There doesnt have to be proof !
That's the entire case for Trevor's suspect.

A poor man's version of Patricia Cornwell's $7 Million spent identifying Walter Sickert.

Instead of spending $7M all you need is Trevor's crystal ball... which is badly in need of a polish it seems.
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Both killer and victim were seeking something,the killer a victim,the victim a place to rest.The former needed contact to satisfy his desires,the victim did not,so my opinion is that an approach was more likely to be by the killer,but not on his way to work.Both Tabram and Nichols might have been resting at the place of their killings,in which case a need to prostitute themselves was not urgent or necessary.
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.Both Tabram and Nichols might have been resting at the place of their killings,in which case a need to prostitute themselves was not urgent or necessary.
Polly may have been heading for Whitechapel station to try and sleep in one of the waiting rooms there.
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Linking Emma Smith to the C5 isn't easy to do. However, linking Smith to Tabram is easier to do and it seems Tom Wescott is giving us a reason for the single strange wound on Tabram being struck through the heart (can't remember if it pierced or not, but that's obviously the intention) with a large bladed instrument to make sure she was dead and the job finished, as Smith had survived her attack.
I wonder if it was the other way round IE Jack got his larger knife stuck in the sternum penetrating it with force and then in a fit of frenzy stabbed her with his penknife to make sure Martha was dead before forcing the larger knife out. Off the top of my head, I think in the next killing the incisions were well away from the chest bone as if not to make the same mistake again
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That's the entire case for Trevor's suspect.

A poor man's version of Patricia Cornwell's $7 Million spent identifying Walter Sickert.

Instead of spending $7M all you need is Trevor's crystal ball... which is badly in need of a polish it seems.
You need to read and digest what others say about your various models, and on the subject of models your time might better spent making airfix models

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