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Morning Advertiser 18 Sept, Emma Green's evidence;

"The Coroner: Do you know that your son went out to wash the blood away. -- Witness: Yes; I thought it had better be done directly the body was moved. A constable went into my yard with my son, and they returned with a broom and washed the stains away."
Thanks Joshua, staring me in the face, so it seems that the Greens had 24hr acess to what they viewed to be Their yard, despite its name.
and unless they went via the building, which does not seem to be the case, its clear the gates could be opened from the street side.


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Morning Advertiser 18 Sept, Emma Green's evidence;

"The Coroner: Do you know that your son went out to wash the blood away. -- Witness: Yes; I thought it had better be done directly the body was moved. A constable went into my yard with my son, and they returned with a broom and washed the stains away."
Thanks JR, that could be it !!
But, I notice they`ve got the broom from Mrs Green`s own yard, and not next door, which implies they had no access to the yard
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Hmmm ... okay, don`t spend too much time looking into it, perhaps it was a dream, I also remember Harriett Lily being described as a dolphin with too much lipstick on. I will let you know if I find anything.
No problem Jon, Joshua pointed something out, which indicates he had access when ever he wanted.


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No problem Jon, Joshua pointed something out, which indicates he had access when ever he wanted.


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correction,
i assumed they were talking about the yard, must read more carefully!! So it may well be they had no access.

It is great that we get this sort of discussion out of it i think.

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It seems unclear whether the Green's house had it's own yard. The 1899 Goad map shows a small yard behind it, and adjacent to the stable yard, but the 1893-5 OS map shows that small yard as part of the building. It seems unlikely that the cottage would be partially demolished to provide some outdoor space (it usually happens in reverse) so may be a mistake on the OS map. Or perhaps the yard was entirely filled with a shed?
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am i reading the 93-95 OS wrong, New Cottage appears to have no yard of its own, there is a yard for the building next door, but not for number 6 other than Brown's yard.
yet as Joshua points out Goad shows a small yard, i think i will go with goad. However i am open to suggestions.
dont think there enough here to add to the work, but it intereting nonetheless

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Of course, if Green was working for Brown's in their stable yard at the time of the murder, it shows it was still open.
But it's possible that it was just an assumption that he worked in the yard next door to his house, as Brown's also had stables across the road in Essex Wharf.
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Would Emma Green refer to Brown´s yard as "my yard"? And would she not have a broom of her own, having to use Brown´s ditto?
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Lets be clear here, I am not suggestion Mizen is a bad man, and certainly not a rotten liar. I make it very clear that I do not beleive he broke the police code on the 31st.
What I suggest is a "white lie" it has no effect on the inquest or murder.




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I´m always clear, Steve. I was going on how you earlier said that there was no other word to use for Mizen than liar - or something along those lines. I find that hard to reconcile with being a good and responsible man, not least if you are a copper. And even less so if you had no reason to lie in the first place.
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Of course, if Green was working for Brown's in their stable yard at the time of the murder, it shows it was still open.
Haha ... that would be interesting !!
Especially, as there was also a James Green standing near 29 Hanbury Street when Chapman was murdered
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