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Old 10-18-2018, 09:50 AM
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Hi Batman,

There are no solid leads in this case.

Believing that a guy known as Jack the Ripper stalked the East End, and ascribing all manner of lightning surgical skills to him, is the biggest obstacle we face in attempting to solve the mystery of the Whitechapel murders.

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Hi Batman,

There are no solid leads in this case.

Believing that a guy known as Jack the Ripper stalked the East End, and ascribing all manner of lightning surgical skills to him, is the biggest obstacle we face in attempting to solve the mystery of the Whitechapel murders.

Regards,

Simon
I think the geoprofiling model is something he couldn't have foreseen anymore than he could have foreseen DNA profiling.

If any serial case can apply that model, it is this one because it is so old.

He couldn't have known.

The only question we have is if we should use the Commuter model or the Marauder model.

If he commutes and arrives at the center of the geoprofile, then we would expect him to kill in a very short distance around the area he arrives in and not to take many precautions about being seen because he doesn't believe anyone will recognize him.

If he is a Marauder then he will strike out further from the central area because he is local. He will also be concerned about being seen.
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Hi Batman,

There are no solid leads in this case.

Believing that a guy known as Jack the Ripper stalked the East End, and ascribing all manner of lightning surgical skills to him, is the biggest obstacle we face in attempting to solve the mystery of the Whitechapel murders.

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Simon
Hi Simon,

Does anyone subscribe to this theory? By that, I essentially mean JtR operated with "lightning surgical skills." Well, apart from maybe Dr Phillips!

Mind you, if he did I guess that's great news in respect of one of my favoured candidates, Francis Thompson, who spent seven years training as a surgeon.

And if they're "no solid leads in this case", why do you believe each of the C5 victims were murdered by different killers?

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Hi John G,

Well—but only if you believe it—five minutes on a rain-slicked pavement in Mitre Square for the evisceration of Eddowes doesn't exactly make Jack a slouch.

Thompson is a red herring, an also-ran, just another of the 365 suspects—all as unlikely as the others—in C J Morley's new edition of his JtR suspects book.

Belief in Jack is preventing us from solving the mystery.

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Belief in Jack is preventing us from solving the mystery.
I don't think that looking for more than one killer is going to help solve the mystery, Simon, when we haven't even found one
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Hi John G,

Well—but only if you believe it—five minutes on a rain-slicked pavement in Mitre Square for the evisceration of Eddowes doesn't exactly make Jack a slouch.

Thompson is a red herring, an also-ran, just another of the 365 suspects—all as unlikely as the others—in C J Morley's new edition of his JtR suspects book.

Belief in Jack is preventing us from solving the mystery.

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Simon
Hi Simon,

Well, obviously it's a complete absurdity, not to say impossibility, for every victim associated with JtR to have been killed by a single killer: C5, Torso victims, Chapman's wives, McKenzie, Coles, Smith, Tabram, Ronan, Austin, Ellen Bury, Elizabeth Roberts (well, if you believe in Jill the Ripper!)

However, that's not to say that the argument that all of these victims were killed by different people isn't equally absurd, particulary as the evidence against any individual is incredibly flimsy-apart from William Bury in respect of Ellen, or Chapman and his "wives".

I consider Thompson the best of a very bad bunch.

We don't know exactly how long it took to eviscerate Eddowes, or the level of skill that was apparent.
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Hi Simon,

Well, obviously it's a complete absurdity, not to say impossibility, for every victim associated with JtR to have been killed by a single killer: C5, Torso victims, Chapman's wives, McKenzie, Coles, Smith, Tabram, Ronan, Austin, Ellen Bury, Elizabeth Roberts (well, if you believe in Jill the Ripper!)
Chapman works for most of them.
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I don't think that looking for more than one killer is going to help solve the mystery, Simon, when we haven't even found one
But there had to be more than one killer, i.e. neither Chapman or Bury could have killed the latter victims that have been potentially linked to JtR.
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Chapman works for most of them.
No he doesn't!
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Hi John G,

Our mythical Jack didn't injure the bladder in the Eddowes murder, unlike Dr. Gordon Brown's assistant when asked to duplicate her injuries in the time allowed.

That's pretty skillful.

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