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Old 10-11-2018, 08:55 AM
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I have never read anything remotely like that from the professional literature including published peer-reviewed papers that...
  1. Use modern forensic psychology and apply it to JtR.
  2. Also invoke JtR when discussing modern forensic psychology.

https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/full/10.1002/jip.22

One such paper by Keppel. Using modern databases applied to JtR.

How about all the geoprofiles on Jtr?

I don't think you can list a single factor that is a barrier to doing this. Nor do you have any professional journals supporting your position I suspect. Is it an opinion you made up? Did you make it up because someone on the force has let the side down badly? The idea SKs can't be cops is firmly relegated to fantasy given this serial killers profile. One of the most prolific. More importantly, the reasons why SKs can't be LE is firmly refuted.

These following points are NO longer reasons to reject the possibility that an SK is a cop.

Here are some of the reasons we had...

1) No time to do it all.
2) Can't travel from one end of the city to the other.
3) LE had all checked out.
4) Statistics.
5) Would be easily recognized.

They are firmly nonsense with the discovery that a cop, Officer Joe Deangelo, is the prolific serial killer and rapist, EARONS.

Also at the moment, the Long Island Serial Killer is pointing towards it being an officer also.

Does it really surprise you that many UNSUBS will turn out to have been LE all along? It shouldn't. It is a good explanation why they are UNSUBS and can go about being so prolific.
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agree-of course you can compare modern day serial killers to JTR-more words of wisdom from the master detective-LOL!

Re the LISK-hes already in jail for the murder of two prostitutes in an earlier case. theyre just trying to link definitvely. The LISK is John Bittrolff, a hunter from Manorville LI (not a cop).
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I would never have thought about a police connection to JTR before and certainly after the whole royal conspiracy final solution thing, would have avoided the topic. However after Officer Joseph James Deangelo turned out to be EARONS, I have looked at the reasons why in past discussions the LE angle to EARONS was downplayed. Those reasons I have listed and they are no longer the barriers I thought they once were.

Things have changed about our understanding of these things so I think adapting to it is a good move because at least it's a progressive direction with stuff to do on it.
I was thinking more specifically the idea of a cop dressing up like Aman!
(I have no problem with the general idea of the ripper being LE).

but come to think of it, an active cop like GSK, apparently foregoing his uniform and donning classic cat burgler apparrel (and all the totally cop unlike behavior that goes with it-stealing bikes to get away, peeping Tom etc.) actually dosnt make your idea that far out, come to think of it.


I don't know how many people I talked to after DeAngelo was caught just couldn't get their head around the descriptions and the behavior of the GSK with a cop.
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I was thinking more specifically the idea of a cop dressing up like Aman!
(I have no problem with the general idea of the ripper being LE).

but come to think of it, an active cop like GSK, apparently foregoing his uniform and donning classic cat burgler apparrel (and all the totally cop unlike behavior that goes with it-stealing bikes to get away, peeping Tom etc.) actually dosnt make your idea that far out, come to think of it.


I don't know how many people I talked to after DeAngelo was caught just couldn't get their head around the descriptions and the behavior of the GSK with a cop.
That is likely what he did sometimes. It explains why EAR was seen pantless wandering down the street. I think he had a uniform he could put on around the corner somewhere.

I also believe that after he was fired he may have gained entry using his uniform for the ONS crimes, some (most) of which lacked evidence for a break-in. I think he did this because he needed to be a cop to achieve his emotional satisfaction, which was basically to be a cop raping and murdering women. Since he was fired he couldn't do that. Anyway, that is just my speculation.

We strongly speculate JtR burned clothes in the fire in MJK's room. I am currently thinking Hutchinson's description of his man totally looking like a caricature, may well have been a deliberate caricature by the offender who burned up all that caricature stuff he was wearing for a reason and I don't think it was because of blood, but to get rid of his disguise. Why does he need a disguise? Well, it did look very Jewish. However, maybe he was disguised because his uniform would give him away.
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https://forum.casebook.org/showpost....&postcount=102

It seems a focus on soldiers before law enforcement may be warranted. A soldier would also explain why JtR seemed experienced at being able to subdue his targets quickly and silently in public places next to homes at the dead of night.
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Inspector Reid apparently lost all interest in P.C. Barrett as a witness, but a summary report written by Chief Inspector Donald Swanson in September 1888 (MEPO 3/140 ff. 36-42) includes a description of Barrett's soldier:

2am.7th.Augt. Police Constable 226H. Barrett saw a soldier - a grenadier age 22 to 26. height 5 ft 9 or 10. compl. fair, hair dark, small dark brown moustache turned up at ends. with one good conduct badge. no medals. in Wentworth Street; and in reply to the PC he stated he was waiting for a chum, who had gone with a girl.
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Constable 1870 Met police holding a sword. So apparently, cutlasses/swords were used by city police or is this artist totally lost? I see some black and white photos of other policemen around England with them though. Was it just a decorative piece? They seem to train with it.

At what stage did the met stop carrying them around, if they ever did that is?
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Constables never carried a sword on regular duty at the time of the murders.
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A well researched source for the typical beat constable's equipment, called "appointments", can be found in, Capturing Jack the Ripper, by Neil Bell (Monty), in a chapter entitled Blue Bottles.
Here are listed items like the truncheon, whistle, handcuffs, pencil, notebook, bulls-eye lamp, and even the helmet, cape, boots, etc.

No weapons.
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Policemen carried a whistle, a whistle which, in Bucks Row, PC Neil refrained from blowing.

I wonder why he didn't want to alert the local populace to a murder.
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Police training with swords.

It seems at least this sword was withdrawn from public use in 1887.

I am looking at this stuff from this website...
http://www.oldpolicecellsmuseum.org..../police_swords

It says some officers had them on ceremonial occasions. Now that would interest us a bit for say Mayor's Day or something on the Bank Holidays.

They even seem to do it today but is connected with rank. Seems it was back then too. https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikiped...ted_Police.JPG

http://gmic.co.uk/topic/35875-victor...-police-sword/
This says...

P.C. in 1870 - carrying this pattern of sword. Each Station had it's own armoury of swords and pistols. These could be issued when required, or, when asked for by the constable - the station sgt. or, duty officer was responsible. It is not generally known that as late as the 1930's a constable could request a firearm if patrolling a very dangerous beat.

It seems Leicestershire Police Force withdrew the sword in 1867.

I think rather than focusing on what was standard police issue let's say in Whitechapel 1888, how an officer would have such a sword in certain situations for a reason. It seems soldiers on some Bank Holidays could carry theirs around.
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