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Old 10-11-2018, 03:00 AM
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So here is a hypothesis. L.63 dawned an astrakhan and some plainclothes over his uniform. Went away with MJK. Murdered her. Burnt his astrakhan and some plainclothes in her fire. Walked out in his uniform again.
That's not so much an hypothesis as a script idea for a fictional TV series. I'd watch it, that's for sure, but I wouldn't buy it as a feasible representation of what would happen in the real world.
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That's not so much an hypothesis as a script idea for a fictional TV series. I'd watch it, that's for sure, but I wouldn't buy it as a feasible representation of what would happen in the real world.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Golden...James_DeAngelo

You need to do some catching up.

It is interesting how cold cases (the ones we didn't catch) are starting to turn up law enforcement for the most prolific ones.

Let's be clear what this police officer did while employed as a police officer.
  • Changed his MO not once but twice.
  • 100+ burglaries.
  • 50+ rapes.
  • 13 murders.

We can't even estimate the amount of stalking he did, given his job.

So what you say is TV, is actually a hard reality. The most unknown prolific serial killer and serial rapist in the US has been caught by familial DNA testing and he was cop. He was cop when he was burgling in Visilia. He was a cop when he murdered Snelling. He was a cop when he murdered Brian and Kate Maggiore. He was a cop when he raped 50 women, half of which had their husbands tied up in the room next to them. He wasn't a cop for the last series of murders because he had been fired and went to LA to change his MO.
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Old 10-11-2018, 07:17 AM
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If Hutchinson never saw a PC for the 45 min he was there, and the PC should have seen him twice, then either Hutchinson is lying... or that PC is now a candidate for murdering MJK when he should have been on the beat.

Problems with this are that officer L.63 looks nothing like Hutchinson's JtR. (L.63 bottom of the first top cartoon, left of JtR's right leg).

However, we don't know that this is how L.63 looked. It could be an artist concept. I can not find mention of his appearance at MJKs inquest hearing.

So here is a hypothesis. L.63 dawned an astrakhan and some plainclothes over his uniform. Went away with MJK. Murdered her. Burnt his astrakhan and some plainclothes in her fire. Walked out in his uniform again.

If L.63 was drafted in specially for this street at this time then I would say L.63 needs to be looked at more closely. The fact we don't know WHO he is, may speak to concerns the investigators had over him, especially since the worst homicide of the series occurred on his beat.
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thats quite a hypothesis!
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Golden...James_DeAngelo

You need to do some catching up.

It is interesting how cold cases (the ones we didn't catch) are starting to turn up law enforcement for the most prolific ones.

Let's be clear what this police officer did while employed as a police officer.
  • Changed his MO not once but twice.
  • 100+ burglaries.
  • 50+ rapes.
  • 13 murders.

We can't even estimate the amount of stalking he did, given his job.

So what you say is TV, is actually a hard reality. The most unknown prolific serial killer and serial rapist in the US has been caught by familial DNA testing and he was cop. He was cop when he was burgling in Visilia. He was a cop when he murdered Snelling. He was a cop when he murdered Brian and Kate Maggiore. He was a cop when he raped 50 women, half of which had their husbands tied up in the room next to them. He wasn't a cop for the last series of murders because he had been fired and went to LA to change his MO.
You cannot compare modern day serial killers, and how they went about their crimes, to a serial killer from 1888, there are to many factors that rule out comparisons.

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Old 10-11-2018, 07:35 AM
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You cannot compare modern day serial killers, and how they went about their crimes, to a serial killer from 1888, there are to many factors that rule out comparisons.

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I have never read anything remotely like that from the professional literature including published peer-reviewed papers that...
  1. Use modern forensic psychology and apply it to JtR.
  2. Also invoke JtR when discussing modern forensic psychology.

https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/full/10.1002/jip.22

One such paper by Keppel. Using modern databases applied to JtR.

How about all the geoprofiles on Jtr?

I don't think you can list a single factor that is a barrier to doing this. Nor do you have any professional journals supporting your position I suspect. Is it an opinion you made up? Did you make it up because someone on the force has let the side down badly? The idea SKs can't be cops is firmly relegated to fantasy given this serial killers profile. One of the most prolific. More importantly, the reasons why SKs can't be LE is firmly refuted.

These following points are NO longer reasons to reject the possibility that an SK is a cop.

Here are some of the reasons we had...

1) No time to do it all.
2) Can't travel from one end of the city to the other.
3) LE had all checked out.
4) Statistics.
5) Would be easily recognized.

They are firmly nonsense with the discovery that a cop, Officer Joe Deangelo, is the prolific serial killer and rapist, EARONS.

Also at the moment, the Long Island Serial Killer is pointing towards it being an officer also.

Does it really surprise you that many UNSUBS will turn out to have been LE all along? It shouldn't. It is a good explanation why they are UNSUBS and can go about being so prolific.
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I have never read anything remotely like that from the professional literature including published peer-reviewed papers that...
  1. Use modern forensic psychology and apply it to JtR.
  2. Also invoke JtR when discussing modern forensic psychology.

https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/full/10.1002/jip.22

One such paper by Keppel. Using modern databases applied to JtR.

How about all the geoprofiles on Jtr?

I don't think you can list a single factor that is a barrier to doing this. Nor do you have any professional journals supporting your position I suspect. Is it an opinion you made up? Did you make it up because someone on the force has let the side down badly? The idea SKs can't be cops is firmly relegated to fantasy given this serial killers profile. One of the most prolific. More importantly, the reasons why SKs can't be LE is firmly refuted.

These following points are NO longer reasons to reject the possibility that an SK is a cop.

Here are some of the reasons we had...

1) No time to do it all.
2) Can't travel from one end of the city to the other.
3) LE had all checked out.
4) Statistics.
5) Would be easily recognized.

They are firmly nonsense with the discovery that a cop, Officer Joe Deangelo, is the prolific serial killer and rapist, EARONS.

Also at the moment, the Long Island Serial Killer is pointing towards it being an officer also.

Does it really surprise you that many UNSUBS will turn out to have been LE all along? It shouldn't. It is a good explanation why they are UNSUBS and can go about being so prolific.
Are there any British police officer / serial killers that we are aware of ?
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Are there any British police officer / serial killers that we are aware of ?
Sure,

Dennis Nilsen was a Jnr Constable in the MET. He quit before murdering though. There are probably more.
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Dennis Nilsen was a Jnr Constable in the MET. He quit before murdering though. There are probably more.
Ok thanks. I was thinking that there was maybe a lot of US police / SKs because of the gun thing.

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Hi Batman
thats quite a hypothesis!
I would never have thought about a police connection to JTR before and certainly after the whole royal conspiracy final solution thing, would have avoided the topic. However after Officer Joseph James Deangelo turned out to be EARONS, I have looked at the reasons why in past discussions the LE angle to EARONS was downplayed. Those reasons I have listed and they are no longer the barriers I thought they once were.

Things have changed about our understanding of these things so I think adapting to it is a good move because at least it's a progressive direction with stuff to do on it.
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Ok thanks. I was thinking that there was maybe a lot of US police / SKs because of the gun thing.
There are not a lot of US serial killers that were cops. I can only think of recent GSK.

Although a lot of speculation that Zodiac was.


Its more likely they have a military background, which is similar though.
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