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Old 09-25-2018, 05:23 AM
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The police didn't write much after the murders because there was not much they could right. They had no positive clues as to the identity of the killer. all we are left with are baseless opinions of police officers in later years, which are as much use as a one legged man in an arse kicking contest.

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for the most part your right. Except for Abberline. he wrote a lot-about suspects and witnesses. He was exceptionally qualified to talk about it-being hands on during the case.


nary a word about hutch, a witness he personally interviewed, eventhough some may say that Aman actually could have resembled his favored suspect Chapman-curled up mustache even!

if hutch came to be veiwed as a not credible witness, as seems to be the case, then it would explain alot.
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Old 09-25-2018, 04:38 PM
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the conspicuity of Hutchinson’s absence from police documents on the subject of witnesses, written after the murders.
??? Are you codding me dear Boss? What police documents on the "subject of witnesses" were written after November 1888? Can you give us an example of one of these documents, Ben?

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Except for Abberline. he wrote a lot-about suspects and witnesses.
Another interesting revelation. Abberline's brief and altogther general comments made in a 1903 interview are now being called extensive "writings" about witnesses?

Okayyy. I sense which way the wind is blowing.
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??? Are you codding me dear Boss? What police documents on the "subject of witnesses" were written after November 1888? Can you give us an example of one of these documents, Ben?



Another interesting revelation. Abberline's brief and altogther general comments made in a 1903 interview are now being called extensive "writings" about witnesses?

Okayyy. I sense which way the wind is blowing.
The MM was written after nov 1888 i beleive.

And yes on Abberline. And why do you put writings in quotes?and interview in italics?

I already pointed out what you missed. Abberline had already written several pages about it when the reporter called on him.

If your going to be snide anout it, at least get it right.
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Abby: Abberline was going to write to Macnaghten, but his arm was still recovering from a gardening accident, and he didn't write. The interview spared him the effort. It is unknown if he wrote at a later date, and no one knows what he would have written. So to claim that Abberline's extensive writings don't mention Hutchinson is utterly ridiculous. Those extensive writings don't exist any more than Ben's extensive police reports mentioning witnesses after Nov 1888.
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Abberline was about to write to Macnaghten, "to say how strongly I was impressed with the opinion that ‘Chapman’ was also the author of the Whitechapel murders."
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Yup, and as far as we know, he wrote in glowing terms of George Hutchinson, and this glowing endorsement is what made it into the introduction of The Trial of George Chapman by Hargrave Lee Adam (1930) which tips its hat to the trustworthy George.


I seem to have ruffled Abby's feathers, but I'm just trying to help the poor kid out, as she stumbles down the road to reason. There is nothing in the record to suggest Hutch was discredited...just speculation piled on speculation.


If I had to hire a detective, I would hire a gullible one. The worst he could do is waste time following a false lead; the skeptical detective, on the other hand, will throw away the most vital clue that solves the case, thinking it is just more horsesh*ite. RP

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But George Hutchinson didn't exist, anymore than Mr. Astrakhan.
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But George Hutchinson didn't exist, anymore than Mr. Astrakhan.
Hutchinson existed all right.
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Abberline was about to write to Macnaghten, "to say how strongly I was impressed with the opinion that ‘Chapman’ was also the author of the Whitechapel murders."
It's a damn good guess because two serial killers operating in a 3km^2 area at the same time, even in Whitechapel's population density, is unheard of.

The population density of Whitechapel in 1888 was approx. 250,000.

This is at the very least 150,000 people shy of the bare minimum we have for two serial killers operating in the same place

To hit the sort of density where you could have two or more serial killers operating in the same area is like 400,000+ ... and the areas are NOT 3km^2 but 420km^2 ! ... or even 1000s of km^2!

All of London, Ontario (which has the figures above). All of Los Angeles. Long island (2,168.85 /km^2 and 7.5 million people).

Then we have Whitechapel with a smidgen of an area and two serial killers operating at the same time.

The biggest obstacle to Seweryn Antonowicz Kłosowski being Jack the Ripper is a change in MO.

Well MO changes are a fact of modern criminology and a change in MO is simply no reason to claim obstacles anymore.

Hutchenson also describing someone who looks like George Chapman before we knew of George Chapman isn't a bad fact to consider either.

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The biggest obstacle to Seweryn Antonowicz Kłosowski being Jack the Ripper is a change in MO.
I don't think it's that much of stumbling block when you factor in the victimology. Chapman bumped off his mistresses insidiously to avoid suspicion, not the same as targetting a bunch of random streetwalkers.
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