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I get that impression as well, Abby. There's a possibility that she wouldn't have died (or even lost consciousness) instantly, owing to the nature of the wound, which may have given her a time to make her way into the yard herself.
But didn't the coroner say that the body looked liked it had been gently laid down. In the above scenario I would expect her to have fallen in a heap.

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But didn't the coroner say that the body looked liked it had been gently laid down. In the above scenario I would expect her to have fallen in a heap.
I can imagine her inching her way along the ground, too weak to stand up.
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You say that "nobody saw or heard her putting up a fight" but isn't that what Schwartz claims to have done? I think his rather strange claim that she called out but not very loudly might be explained by the fact that Stride was being strangled/choked and was thus unable to make more noise than she did. I think Schwartz witnessed the first part of the murder (perhaps not a popular view these days).
Does anybody know the truth in the following please ?
When I watched "The Definitive" on youtube. It showed the reported finding Schwartz and talking through another chap at his door. The man talking on Schwartz's behalf said said that "it seems Schwartz saw the whole thing". Has this been verified or was it just the reporter saying this?
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I can imagine her inching her way along the ground, too weak to stand up.
But wouldn't that have left a trail of blood and telltale signs on her clothing?

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But wouldn't that have left a trail of blood and telltale signs on her clothing?
I thought of that almost immediately I wrote my previous post, CD. We must be on the same wavelength.
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I thought of that almost immediately I wrote my previous post, CD. We must be on the same wavelength.
It also would have wreaked havoc on the cachous.

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[Coroner] Have you formed any opinion as to the manner in which the deceased's right hand became stained with blood? - It is a mystery. There were small oblong clots on the back of the hand. I may say that I am taking it as a fact that after death the hand always remained in the position in which I found it - across the body.
If Liz had grasped her throat surely the palm of the hand would have been covered in blood.
Indeed. Even if she had grasped her throat, in my opinion, there's no way in the world she could have stemmed the flow to the extent that it didn't stain her clothes or, spill onto the street
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I can imagine her inching her way along the ground, too weak to stand up.
Thereby leaving a trail of blood, and staining her clothing, which was not in evidence
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He cuts her throat in the street, flees, her hand goes to her throat and she staggers into the yard. Where she expires.
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He cuts her throat in the street, flees, her hand goes to her throat and she staggers into the yard. Where she expires.
Why would he kill her after being seen by two witnesses? I would also expect that she would fall in a heap not look like she had been gently laid down.

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